Steve Falconer, creator of the Spacebusters channel, and Jerm cover a wide range of topics — from vaccination to how COVID-19 has reshaped our understanding of health. They share personal stories about vaccines and discuss the growing interest in alternative ideas. The conversation explores the role of authority and control, the effects of 9/11 and the war on terror, and the current political landscape. They also delve into the impact of technology and AI, the rise of transhumanism, and the ways in which power operates within society. Reflecting on how media shapes narratives and how conspiracy theories influence public debate, Steve and Jerm end with a discussion about the future of humanity and the evolution of social systems.