Jerm and Carl Zha talk about their trip to China together.
They describe the difference between the busy city life in Shanghai and the quieter, more traditional areas in the west of the country. They share funny stories about dealing with traffic, exploring the culture in Xinjiang, and using apps like WeChat. They discuss how people in the West see China, with Jerm pointing out how complex and diverse it is, and Carl saying that China, like any country, has its good and bad points. They talk about the kindness they were shown and clear up misunderstandings about China's politics, especially around the Uyghur people.
Their conversation is full of humour and personal thoughts, giving a balanced view of their journey.
Carl has a show on UK Column.
