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Insight Vox – Gilad Atzmon

Insight Vox – Gilad Atzmon

In this first episode of Insight Vox, David Scott speaks to Gilad Atzmon.

Love has many definitions; but one is certainly to have the patience and care to point out the errors and flaws in another so that they may reform themselves, and by doing so avoid repeating self-destructive behaviour and the mistakes of the past. By this definition, Gilad Atzmon has a great love for the Jewish People although at times he has received great hatred in return. This is because in addition to being a Jazz Saxophonist of note and delight, writer and philosopher, he is also the sharpest and bravest of the critics of contemporary Jewish identity politics.

The central role of the modern State of Israel in middle east affairs, and the central role of the Jewish lobby in shaping the policies of the United States of America make his insights into Jewish power, Jewish identity and Jewishness of vital and pressing interest to all men and women with an interest in the forces which shape our world and affect our future. His views and observations are also an antidote to the narrow politically correct mindset which prevents honest discussion of vital matters due to fear of the label “anti-Semite”

Certain of Gilad’s insights, such as the issue of temporality- the short time horizons which characterise the Jewish world view, and the exilic nature of the Jewish religion will likely be entirely new to anyone not familiar with his writings as he has been almost alone in examining these issues which are at the heart of so much of contemporary Jewish culture and politics. These themes are explored further in Gilad’s first book “The Wandering Who”

In this interview we expand on his observations on Jewishness and take an occasionally more universal snap shot of the human condition, looking at issues for Great Britain, The United States and the Arab world. In particular comparisons and contrasts between our two nations; Scots and Jews, are used to illustrate the problems of exceptionalism, national exclusiveness and the effects of a powerful political elite upon national thriving.

This interview was a pleasure to be involved with and I hope the warmth and frankness of our discussion comes across to the viewer.

Comments 14

  1. Kris 68

    Thank you, that was a most interesting talk, I have a much better understanding of the history now.

  2. rwkt

    Thank you David, very hard and heavy interview, not an easy man to get a straight answer from, as he seems to feel himself trying to get from the complexity of the Jewish understanding of a people who have a very unstable via persecution and insecure past, and trying to give us as the others, a correct perspective from that complexity as an answer that we would understand.

    The interview had not finished, it just got started, but very interesting, the flavor was just coming out, but other than that Gilad is not a easy man to interview, I think that what I was interested to hear from him is that how deep this Zionism go within their upbringing, because that’s where the problem lays.

    Now don’t get all Scotty on us Mr Scott, we love you

    well done, lets do it again.

    Regards

  3. DavidScott

    I’m glad you feel the discussion was just getting started, I share this view and suspect we could have gone on for hours exploring the issues.

    We hope to have Gilad back soon to delve more deeply into a tightly defined topic. This first interview was in part to introduce him to those in our audience not familiar with his writing. It was therefore my aim to keep this discussion broad in scope.

    I would have to say I did not find him difficult to interview but rather enjoyed the process immensely.

  4. thelonious

    Excellent discussion – thanks for the insight.

    A few points to raise, questions to ask. First off, definitely keen for a Part II to this. Perhaps before that though there would be opportunities to expand this into an Israel / Judaic series, with two particular guests I wish to put forward for consideration.

    Norman Finkelstein is someone with whose work I am not terribly familiar, though what little I have heard of him speaking seems to be worth raising this as a potential. A second guest, two of whose books I am acquainted with, is Ilan Pappé – who as I understand it is based out of Exeter university, and is an Israeli citizen himself. Perhaps if this does happen, we might be able to invite him to the ukcolumn studios for some live or visual interview material. Also might be possible to visit with him in some capacity. Lastly on this note, what about Noam Chomsky himself? Would be excellent for ukcolumn to have such a high profile figure to say a few words about Israel and its relationship with the United States – and Noam is quite profligate with his appearances in Alt and grassroots media.

    As for this interview, it was an exercise in fascination. Particularly these themes of Babylonian exile and although this word wasn’t used : ethnocentrism… xenophobia branches off naturally from such a hived off mentality, where separation and otherness breed a kind of warlike indifference to the universal sanctity of human life; it is so easy to kill what is not regarded as human, as we see time and again in the latest follies of our species.

    Little focus on the Palestinians themselves, which is interesting in a kind of metaphorical way, because this isn’t really a problem of the Palestinians, this is someone else’s problem that is inflicted on them. What about solutions then? That needs to be the focus of a few questions…

    Is the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions technique the way forward? If not, what place does it have in the grand scheme of things? Thinking back to Mandela and his economic betrayals, is the Apartheid organising throwback even relevant? Who would be the selected Hero of the West this time? A compliant Arab eager for self-promotion? Chomsky makes the point that Israel, as with the US, Australia and Canada, is a settler-colony project, inherently dominating an unrecognised and violated indigenous population. Also, just because I feel this point needs to be made and I haven’t come across it elsewhere, if a people live in a land for several generations, or even for a single life, that must be taken into account in any political settlement. This applies to Israelis too, and it would hardly be an improvement to evict them to some other part of the globe, we need to be universal in our humanity.

    It would be great to learn a little more about the role of secular Jews within the Bolshevik and broader Soviet movement, from its dawn days right through the entire regime. This ties is well with the discussion being had over on the Insight Eurasia page, and is a topic of acute relevance at present… what happened to Russia, and why?

    ‘Stalin’s willing executioners…’

    Keen for thoughts, thanks again to all involved, brilliant work.

    • DavidScott

      Thank you for the comments,

      I am familiar to some degree with the work of Norman Finkelstein; he brings an academic rigour and strength of character to his arguments.

      Chomsky is wrong about the settler colony issue (as he is wrong about so much). Actually this is a matter the Atzmon gets right although we did not have time to get to the issue.

      As for BDS, I personally tend to be averse to collective punishments of any type, and those hitting the people we are trying to help and those we are trying to persuade in particular. I’m not convinced that sanctions worked in South Africa, but rather that the South Africans themselves no longer believed in the rightness of their project. Therefore truth and ideas are the ground we should look to.

      I share your interest in history and have questions over the Jewish role in Bolshevism and whether that affected later events. I have no clear answers on this, perhaps we will be able to cover that ground later in this series.

      • thelonious

        David, what are the key points in a critique of the settle-colony idea? I thought it was an observation of the colonial projects in relation to their genocidal tendencies whether deliberate or otherwise, though sadly time and again the racist-eugenicist strains of thinking have been present, and so these acts of ethnocide are to a considerable degree intentional, and the dehumanisation of the subhuman other or indigenous wretch – unsophisticated uncouth indecent unwashed savages and heathens… naturally this is only a part of the broader picture, though it does seem to be a part of it.

        Thanks for the response – also keen for thoughts on Chomsky.

        • DavidScott

          A colonial venture consists of a mother state and a settler state which have mutual benefits from the relationship.

          The view that this is evil in principle is part of the cultural marxism that is attacking Britain and the west, and that is one problem

          With Israel, however, this is not the situation, there is a settler state perhaps, but no mother state. As Atzmon says “Where’s mummy?”

          As far as Chomsky is concerned, he suffers all the problems of the left wing intellectual and those of the nobel prize winner (like Krugman) that people expect his expertise in a narrow technical field translates into a wider wisdom.

          Worse that that however, he is just so dull. Have you read any Chomsky, I have – I won’t again.

          • thelonious

            Or perhaps if we reach into the etymology of colony we might draw upon a definition of cultivation and ‘colere’ – to practice, tend, inhabit or respect; in which instance divine law would be honoured, and existence would be in a state of balance. Naturally when we look to Palestine however, this is far from what we see.

            Would it be possible to also outline a few of the problems of the left wing intellectual? Lionisation and demonisation are follies both, and though perhaps Chomsky is wrong on this or that point, I see him and others with whom I am not entirely aligned as powerful forces for good in the world. Imperfect, yes – though I think of it in terms of concentric circles : each person has a role to play in a broad performance of human enlightenment, and as we develop into a wiser and more godly peoples (ideally) these different perspectives interact across their respective boundaries – and one person with a sophisticated knowledge of banking might find profound revelation in other areas, such as the psychological, from someone situated in an entirely different part of society.

            Wisdom arises from the most unlikely sources, and sometimes for a person to enunciate something we disagree with gives us the chance to refine our own ideas – though would it not be preferable that we got it right in the first place? Or would this circumvent free will and the entire premise behind this realm? Enter stage left the infinite mysteries of affairs intemporal.

  5. Johnny Mac

    Thank you David for being man enough to tackle the JQ which is a massive and complex subject obviously, but hugely important.

    Interesting start with Gilad and clearly you have much more to ask and discuss with him.

    You discussed Scottish exceptionalism and similarities between Scots and Jews early on. That is not very surprising when one factors in how the Knights Templar were given safe refuge in Scotland, and how Freemasonry (Scottish Rite/Rosicrucianism) were and are still rife here (I live in Aberdeen).
    Enlightenment and banking has been a double edged sword for Scotland, UK and the world.
    Clearly you must know how similar Jewish mysticism (Kabbalah) and Freemasonry are?
    More analysis of this area would be appreciated.

    To my understanding, there is a particularly insidious branch/sect of elite Jewry which incorporates the Rothschild, Warburg and other families known as Sabbatean Frankism. This sect, in which some include the Nazis, were/are as happy to throw ordinary Jews under the bus as Goyim. They are ‘crypto Jews’ (satanists more like) and operate in all countries including China. Fact/fiction…. a little of the two? Who knows?

    Here is an article by a respected researcher on the subject – David Livingstone:
    http://www.conspiracyschool.com/illuminati

    Henry Makow has covered a lot of this material too, and like Gilad has Jewish ancestry but no longer self identifies as Jewish: henrymakow.com/2015/09/The%20Sabbatean-Frankist-Nazi-Empire.html
    For Youtube material – Rape of Justice channel:
    https://www.youtube.com/user/TheRapeOfJustice

    UKC has definitely upped it’s game recently having yourself and others of strong moral and intellectual calibre fronting the show regularly.

    Keep up the good work!

    • DavidScott

      Thanks for the kind comments

      The two-edged nature of The (Scottish) enlightenment is a particular interest of mine. The difficulty is finding some-one with sufficiently expert and clear sighted views to interview. Essentially the issue was one of human pride taking over the direction of academic research, with no aspect of guidance from a scriptural source. Oddly in the hardest sciences such as physics this had no effect as the Greats were all men of faith – Issac Newton, Leonard Euler and James Clerk Maxwell (Einstein did not know but at least admitted his ignorance in religious matters). In the softer sciences however, the atheists defeated the evangelicals in the science realm, not because they were better scientists but because they claimed the high ground early on and held it – meaning they framed the discourse in their own terms. This has led to some huge errors in scientific and academic enquiry, and we are now in a world where in some areas error piled upon error defines the mainstream view.

      I also thank you for your comments in the Templar/ freemasonry, again this may be an issue for some future time but we have a lot of ground to cover first.

      I’ll follow the links you provided .

      • redhand

        Just to chip in to say I thoroughly appreciate the lively discussion here. Particular thanks to Johnny Mac for raising the very pertinent issues of Sabbateanism and the continuation of the Frankish Crusader project. The key geographical locations here, even more than Nazi Germany, are Switzerland and Constantinople, and the key centuries are the late 13th (when Acre fell and the Swiss Eidgenossenschaft were set up within three months of each other in 1291) and the mid- to late 17th (when Cromwell and the Dutch money men become involved). I am just beginning to get a handle on this complexity. A recommended (but not easy) YouTube channel is that of an Afrikaner in Switzerland called Sean Hross: http://www.youtube.com/user/chatzefratz

        For those who read German and want to take this as deep as it goes, I recommend Herbert Illig’s books, especially Das erfundene Mittelalter (“The Invented Middle Ages”), with its central section on the significance of the octagon in Carolingian architecture in the Carolingian Empire.

        That empire, incidentally, consisted of the Germanic peoples of Western Europe — i.e. Northern France, Northern Italy, Benelux and Germany proper, all dominated by the Frankish tribe which went pretend-Christian in much the same way as the Sabbateans went pretend-Jewish and later pretend-Muslim. The Franks, among whom I now live in the Netherlands, are the cleverest people in Europe and the most amenable to tyranny, xenophobia and exploitation as long as they can live comfortably out of it. We in the British Isles are (insofar as our heritage individually is Germanic rather than Celtic) Saxons, not Franks. The Saxon path is one of individual reason and resistance of tyranny, and you see this in the ethnocultural faultlines within the Netherlands and Germany to this day.

        The core EU response to (or reason for nudging?) Brexit has been to recreate the immediate post-war EEC, “les six”. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carolingian_Empire#/media/File:Partage_de_l%27Empire_carolingien_au_Trait%C3%A9_de_Verdun_en_843.JPG

  6. Ned

    Quality. Thank you both and UK Column for hosting. I would pay to listen to you two.

    I follow / monitor the BBC to keep abreast of the banal nonsense that runs the UK and beyond. This is the kind of conversation I wish the taxpayer were funding – or in a Ron Paul non-income tax model, however that might work – instead of the crap dished up day in day out.

    Quite loverly.

    Cheers ears!

  7. DavidScott

    Trust me, if it is tax payer funded, it would not be this type of conversation

    The great advantage we have is the financial barriers are down, we do not need £3.65 Bn to beat the BBC.

    Many like you are turning to the alternative and independent media for their information. In the UK, the most consistent of this has been the UK Column, I hope we can build on this