Well for me personally I fully support Alex..

I say that the buddah said this - Don't believe anyone not even me.

You make up your own mind and do your own research to come to your own conclusions. Never take ANYONE'S word as truth. You must walk your own path on the road of truth. Anyone that throws accusations about ANYONE without doing ANY research themselves cannot have an opinion in my opinion and are just repeating hear say.

Even if he is CIA or a Reptoid ( ) who cares do what you feel is right and stop wasting time attacking people. I have many of the books that alex talked of, some of them very hard to come by but I have read them and I am seeing the proof unfolding in our world.  Ecoscience, The deliberate Dumbing down of america, Tragedy & Hope, Controlling the human mind (The technologies of political control or Tools for peak performance).

Remember it is just a ride =) *Puffs on his roll up in awe at this thing we call reality*

I don't like his style, but he has helped lots of people look beyond the end of their nose, the only thing you really know the truth about is from your own experience, listen to and read what others have to say but it's hearsay unless you know it to be true from your own experience.

i like the infowars audio radio show, great guests like ron paul, max keiser, dave mustaine, ...
alex though, comes across as racist and seems to hate the the english, the unemployed & the disabled. says he reads books, calls himself an expert on history, then comes out with crap like 'the nazzis started with the jews' when they started with the disabled. he does waffle and talk over the guests a lot.
cant fault what he does though... full on assault on the globalists, gmo / aspartamine info, exposing the [never ending] war on terror, the reporting on the election fraud, the staged sandy hook shooting, he called the gun grab well early.
and its free! hes made some great vids - police state, the obama deception, ...
gotta respect sneaking a camera into the grove and filming their sick rituals, and bullhorning the bilderbergs & wall street

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gotta respect sneaking a camera into the grove and filming their sick rituals,

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If indeed it was sneaking and not invited!

To be Honist I do not know. But I will still throw this one into the arena, close the door and run.;o)

www.realjewnews.com/?p=387

Just read this from the trutherseeker site a coincidence I assure you.

www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=63416

Alex Jones aggressive style has certainly got him noticed, he rants and raves and appears to have little self control.  However his radio talk programme inbetween asking for subscriptions and promoting healthy juice products he has served a purpose. He has got information out there into the public agenda. His credibility has been eroded several times and this was highlighted by the late Bill Cooper.

If he started out as an agent for the elitests, then over the past 17 years even if his job is to give out disinformation, I do not see how he could live so close to the edge of this global conspiracy and it to have not affected him.

On the CNN with Piers Morgan he was stating that Britain had 35 deaths by gun crime. This was not a valid argument because we are high in the EU on criminal violence and that is without guns. We are also a smaller country so are in no comparison.

I like it that Alex crammed in so much information that people can research on and verify even though his delivery was bad and domineering. But perhaps this was needed to alert people. A loud shout saying "wake Up!".

All of course entire thing could of completely staged to frighten middle American's and  other sheeple into catagorising all pro-gun supporters like maniacs.

Even if Alex is a shill, he would be having a constant battle between what he knows is going on and what he tells us is going on. The human psche would have to be compartmentalized to cope with the inner turmoil. How would it be possible for him to exist in two states of mind? Something would have to give.

Alex Jones has shown his true colours far too many times to be considered trustworthy.  The list of examples is enormous, but here are a few of the most important ones:

The Y2K radio show psy-op, similar to the Orson Welles War of the Worlds psy-op in the late 1930s.  Jones scared the crap out of many thousands of people by reporting that Russia had fired missiles at the US, or something similar, I don't remember the exact details.  As has already been mentioned, Bill Cooper called him out - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7r8rFNDh9WQ  Cooper was murdered soon after 9/11, whereas Jones has been allowed to become the most famous authorized "conspiracy theorist" in America, who still lies about Bill Cooper whenever he's asked about him.  Cooper was named the most dangerous radio host in America by Bill Clinton.  He was obviously the real deal, although he did make mistakes.

9/11 - Jones has lied about Dr. Judy Wood and been a prominent part of an enormous smear campaign against her and her research, which conclusively proves that directed energy weaponry was used on 9/11.  Dr. Wood's work proves the existence of free energy technology and widespread awareness of this work would dramatically increase the chances of free energy for the entire human race.  Rather than acknowledge this and promote Dr. Wood's work, he has continually lied about her, smeared her and encouraged his listeners to stay away from Dr. Wood's work.  Alex Jones has instead supported people like Steven E. Jones, who was centrally involved in the Cold Fusion energy cover up in 1989 (what a coincidence) - see The Price of Secrecy, The Consequences of Cover Up by Andrew Johnson - http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=322&Itemid=55

Dr. Wood's court case went to the Supreme Court.  If there had been support for it, she might even have got the perpetrators, or those who know who the perpetrators were, in court and on oath.  But most people still don't know that the court cases took place.  The result was essentially that the judge acknowledged that he was ignoring the law in order to ignore the court case.  Alex Jones does not work for 9/11 truth, he works for authorised 9/11 lies.  That is a fact.

Ron Paul - the political system is inherently corrupt and cannot possibly be part of any kind of real solution.  The president is a puppet of the real power behind the scenes and is just a personification of the pretence that democracy is fair and just, and Alex Jones is well aware of this.  Yet Jones got millions of people to waste their time, money and energy on promoting a false hero, Ron Paul, a man who has been in politics for decades and must know exactly how corrupt the whole thing is, who didn't even bother removing himself from the Republican party.  Jones did this not once, but twice.  And he'll probably do it again next time, but with a different puppet.  Incidentally, Steve Jackson's Illuminati Card Game from 1995, which seems to predict 9/11 and other major events, includes a card with two people who look very much like Alex Jones and Ron Paul - http://www.911truth.ch/img/cards/smof.png

Jones was caught showing his true colours in Austin, Texas, when he turned up and ruined a pro-gun rally and then lied to his listeners about what happened - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TACalwg360c

There are many other examples that could be given, but these should be enough for anybody to at least question Jones' credibility.  If people refuse to question Alex Jones no matter what, then that is indicative of some sort of psy-op in itself.

The other important point is that the powers that be do supply the public with their heroes.  Pike said this and Lenin also said "The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves."  They weren't bluffing or giving a false impression.  This is what happens in the real world.  This of course does not mean that everybody who is speaking out and trying to wake people up is controlled opposition, but some of them are.  Denying it is a refusal to acknowledge the reality, and acknowledging reality has to be the first step towards changing it for the better, for humanity as a whole.

It is no surprise that leaders of the controlled opposition that are supplied to us do tell some truths, do wake some people up (to a low level of awareness) and do provide some useful information etc., otherwise, the whole thing would be pointless and it wouldn't work.  But if they're caught out lying about the most serious subjects, fear-mongering and needlessly scaring the crap out of their listeners, or tirelessly promoting a particular politician, for example, then it's time to ask questions.  Some people find this difficult because they feel a sort of loyalty to the person who contributed to their waking up, but that emotional, non-logical response is all part of the same psy-op.

It boils down to whether people really want the truth, or whether they just want what makes them feel better, which might include some partial truths as well as some massively damaging lies.

I speak as a vicitm of the "truth movement" psy-ops, and I learned a lot from it.  Hopefully people can learn from my mistakes, but unfortunately it's probably the sort of thing that you have to realise for yourself, which probably means that some people will get there quickly, some people will take a bit longer, and some people will never come to the realisation, much like waking up in the first place.

I see lots of people calling Alex Jones a shill, and worse. But then I have been called that, and worse. So has Brian. So has Louise. So has everyone that puts their heads above the parapet. It goes with the territory.

Well, I am not a shill. But no-one else can know my true reasons for doing what I do, because no-one else has lived my life, seen what I have seen, and so on. So the fact I say that I am not a shill is pretty meaningless.

It's too easy, I think, to fall into the trap of name calling when we have never met, have never spoken directly to, an individual. It's very, very easy to look at what people say or do on the internet and jump to completely the wrong conclusions about them.

So I don't see the point in these discussions. Alex Jones is not killing people. Alex Jones is not destroying his Constitution. We may not agree with everything he says and does, but he is not the enemy. I think we should appreciate that he is there, shouting his warnings as loud as he can, and focus our ire at those who are giving him cause to shout.

Hotair101 asks, "who do you trust?"

There is a simple answer to that - yourself.

Couldn't have put it better myself Mike. 

There are approx. 47,383,464 eligible voters in the UK, most of whom have never heard of the UKColumn and even less have heard of Alex Jones and if they have probably think he's Tom Jones brother. People that do care about what is happening in this country can jump up and down and foam at the mouth but that's all we can do. We can write to our MP’s but they are they are not in Parliament for our benefit. We have a government hell bent on war and regime change in other countries but we need a regime change in this country.  Passive resistance don’t work for me, we need heads rolling at the highest level.  I can’t see why we need so many people in charge. I supported Ron Paul’s idea of small government, defend our country on our borders and keep out of other countries business. Roads and railways were built before we started paying taxes, where did the money come from then? I could go on but probably wasting my time. Ian R Crane et.al say they would never stand for election and then go on to say do your own research, make your bloody mind up. Too many pundits sitting on the fence spouting hot air. We don’t need a leader, we need to all pull together regardless of race or religion, we all live in this country and people like me of a certain age remember when it was or seemed better. This will probably receive derogatory comments, but as David Icke says “I don’t give a shit”. Start small at the local level, get on your local council, show people that you mean it, ask them what they want, not what you want, example: they have stopped supplying refuse sacks but the mayor goes around in a chauffeur driven 7 series BMW. It could work but it means switching off the box in the corner. I’m 72 and I’m going to make a start this year, so all of you airing your views, just do it. You can ridicule David Icke but think on this, he lives in a modest flat on the IOW, where does Alex Jones, Nigel Garage and Jesse Ventura live, in mansions. The country our politicians love to hate have a President that foregoes a salary and lives in modest accommodation and when visiting other countries sleeps on the floor in the hotel.  Common Purpose and paedophile rings (obscene as they are) are really small fry compared to the real state this country is in.

Hi Euro-peon.

That was a heck of a rant. 

You sound like a larken Rose fan. I'll try and forward my favouritist video from you tube. (Ialso have 3 of his books.) Also 3 of David Ickes.

http://youtu.be/t5FNDRgPOLs

My philosophy completely

Hi Euro-peon.

That was a heck of a rant. 

You sound like a larken Rose fan. I'll try and forward my favouritist video from you tube. (Ialso have 3 of his books.) Also 3 of David Ickes.

http://youtu.be/t5FNDRgPOLs

My philosophy completely

Damn.I must have saved this once made sure the link worked and saved it again. I don't know how to delete it.

Sorry folks but you got the same post twice.

Hey, what a coincidence, just posted "Why You Are Powerless Against The Government" and they mention Larjen Rose. Might but his book. Not available on Amazon.co.uk?

I think i bought them from his website. The most dangerous suspicion, How to be a successful Tyrant and The iron Web.

The iron Web is a novel the other two are his views.

P.S. That link you posted does'nt work.

Working now.

http://youtu.be/H6b70TUbdfs

Has anybody actually watched the film "Network"? This was made nearly 40 years ago and although obviously made by the media for the media it's ironic really that David Icke and Alex Jones use clips from this film. Why? Because it shows how corrupt the media, in this case a mainstream news channel latching on to the dissent of the populace and deciding that there was money to be made. Alex Jones does make some good points, but you have to wonder if he is being manipulated.

Reply to Mike:

Re your point about the simple answer to 'who do you trust' being 'yourself'. This is true but trusting yourself depends on one's level of ability to judge a situation and this in turn entails a combination of skills, including but not limited to, an analysis of the facts. Many of us are in the process of trying to fine-tune our powers of discernment and this includes intuition and also looking unflinchingly within to see whether any ego concerns might be clouding our judgement.

I would not normally take part in a discussion thread like this because I view it as a distraction from the research work I am doing. However, there are a number of points which have ‘raised my hackles’ and to which I have decided to respond.

I have watched both parts of the youtube interview which was predominantly about gun control although Jones did introduce some other issues. He has a loud aggressive ‘in your face’ style which is a turn off for me but I won’t condemn him for that.

One of the earlier comments was this

How many of you have actually taken time out to research the real issue here? Are we looking at this to determine what percentage of what Jones is saying is true and what percentage is disinfo? Are we comparing his style of information delivery with that of Piers Morgan? Should we be?

Here’s some examples to illustrate my point.

Not only am I unimpressed by the inference of guilt by association it also makes my p*ss boil that not one of you bothered to take the time to do some research on the background to the primary issue of the Jones –v- Morgan debate.

This concerns FIREARMS CONTROL. The following might give you a clue

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/25/us-arms-treaty-un-idUSBRE8BO00B20121225

but then again it might just be more disinformation.

So you could go here >> or here >>  and here >>

Really? If you look at the policies flowing from the UN and at the actions of those  within NGOs, Local Government and our national institutions who are promoting this stuff in the UK you will find Common Purpose people.

Look at UN terms like sustainable development, Corporate Social Responsibility and Community Cohesion and you will find CP people promoting them. Look at sustainable transport, sustainable energy, affordable housing and your will find CP people.

Look at the 4,000 community organisers being trained and you will find CP people involved countrywide.

What about the number of CP people involved in the Hacking scandal and Leveson inquiry?

Coincidence and small fry? I think not

I'm not particularly impressed by your uninformed assumption about what I have or haven't researched.  But my p*ss is fine.

This issue could not be more serious of course.  The most important point is that genocide by governments is always preceded by removal of the population's means to defend themselves.  We are literally talking about tens of millions, maybe even hundreds of millions of lives being on the line.  An excellent documentary on this issue is Innocents Betrayed - The True Story of Gun Control (57mins 58s) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XQDzBK-Yxc

The mainstream media is being typically destructive and misleading by portaying those who still respect their own constitution as lovers of violence and/or mentally ill.  Alex Jones actively aided this portayal by threatening the host (even if it is Piers Morgan) and by his general conduct.  Some people seem to want to pass this off as just some sort of eccentricity, but that is extremely naive, given how much experience Alex Jones has.  He has gone out of his way to appear crazy many many times before.  Here he is pretending to be the joker - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ccX_PQtlMY - I mean, do people think that he accidentally put that make-up on and then forgot that he was being filmed?

The clip shown on today's UK Column live is Piers Morgan up against Ben Shapiro, which I've just found on youtube - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tUfPRNWlUM  Shapiro has the truth on his side and needs only to tell the truth, knowing full well that Morgan can only dig his own grave.  There was no need for theatrics or threats or any of that.

But that is one issue and people have their opinions about Alex Jones' way of dealing with it.  But when it comes to Alex Jones in general, he has knowingly lied about the most serious issues and suppressed information pertaining to free energy.  Jones might not be killing people himself, as Mike said, but he is actively suppressing information about free energy technology and he has been for years, and so have his many thousands of followers as a direct result of Jones' actions - I agree with Mike's point about trusting only yourself, but we all know that isn't how most people operate.  There are leaders, there are followers and there are outsiders, and there are people who think for themselves and there are people who don't.  If everybody thought for themselves then we wouldn't be in this mess, but for thousands of years, many people haven't.  And they have had people who will do their thinking for them supplied to them, and they have been manipulated by this simple and successful method of mind control, and it's not realistic to assume that it doesn't work the same way today because it does.  And Alex Jones is, for whatever reason, one of those leaders and many people adopt his words as their own beliefs.  They shouldn't, but they do.  And thanks to the influence of Alex Jones and people like him, it has been the norm within the entire "9/11 truth movement" to ignore, ridicule, smear or misrepresent Dr. Judy Wood's research.  In fact, this is one of the few truth forums that does not censor her information, so I'll do another thread later today with links to a few videos and articles to expand on this point.

But back to the energy issue, in this country alone we have a situation where thousands of people are dying each year because they cannot afford heating, and we know that the agenda is to keep increasing the energy prices.  Why would anybody want to suppress information about free energy?  Why would one of the most well-known people in the so-called "9/11 truth movement" promote disinformation, and he knows it's disinformation, about thermite and bombs in the buildings, and ignore Dr. Judy Wood's research and its energy implications?  That is deception.  It's not a mistake, it's deliberate deception.  There is nothing theoretical about it.  Alex Jones knowingly lies to millions of people and covers up highly important information of enormous global and historical significance, on top of what anybody might think about his myriad invitations to appear on the mainstream media and his ridiculous counter-productive behaviour.

If you condone deception, then deception will continue.  If the politicians are condemned (quite rightly) for telling the most egregious lies, then why is it OK for Alex Jones to do it?  Because he tells bits of truth in between his lies and theatrics?  Does that mean that if the bankers give a few grand to Children In Need or whatever, then all is forgiven?

"Firmly behind"? That implies we are riding on his coattails. Is that what you think of us?

Seriously, though, I don't mind admitting that we squirmed when we saw how AJ dealt with that interview. Piers Morgan should have been taken apart, but that was not the way to do it. So yes, we would like to have Alex Jones on to talk about that interview and the issues around it, because I think he made good points but they were buried under the weight of the presentation.

Look, I feel very strongly about this. We have a tendency, as a movement, to spit vitriol at each other for saying or doing the wrong thing, or not covering certain subjects. We've all done it at one time or another, and it is such as wast of time.

So I can't agree with you that there is no reason not to discuss him. Every minute we are discussing him, we are not discussing the issues he and we are raising every day.

As I said above, Alex Jones is not killing people. Alex Jones is not destroying his Constitution. We may not agree with everything he says and does - and I do not - but he is not the enemy. I think we should appreciate that he is there, shouting his warnings as loud as he can.

We should focus our ire at those who are giving him cause to shout.

Whilst I agree there are more important things to be researching and discussing, this is a forum and it is in the anything goes section, so If people REALLY want to discuss Morgan/AJ then they should be free to do so.

This "is AJ an agent?" question is a popular topic on lots of forums and blogs anyway and with the recent event it has highlighted these discussions.

I think it's quite reasonable for people to want to guage others reaction when something out of the ordinary like this Morgan/Jones sketch occurs just for reassurance, even more understandable if they are relatively new to a lot of the truth movement stuff, and even more understandable if it was AJ who helped them to see their first truths.

There are plenty of people out there exposing stuff, most agree on lots of the same stuff, but not many agree on all the same stuff, take what you agree with and believe to be true from each source and move on to the next, no one person knows it all, we need each other, many hands make light work. And it's just words and pictures, unless someone is actually harming or killing, or forcing you to do something, chillout and discuss, or ignore and move on.

No, that's not quite it. We felt that he could have destroyed Piers Morgan if he had approached the thing slightly differently. You could be right about the publicity thing, I don't know.

That I can assure you of. We will be as accurate and honest as we can, and we need you to challenge anything and everything we do or say that you don't agree with. I think that's how we build trust.

If I’ve missed your published research please direct me to it.

And this of course is where Common Purpose leadership training comes in. If they can control the leaders those leaders will in turn seek out their own followers.  CP are even in our schools where our children are being taught sustainability, global citizenship and community cohesion amongst other things. School children are being ‘dumbed down’ and deliberately instructed not to think for themselves. In other words the ‘hive mind’ is being induced in tomorrow’s citizens. Constant propaganda by the MSM is forcing people to look at the least important and crucial issues as well as denormalising certain behaviours. The psychological attack on us comes from all directions at once - even from our own government.

No individual can possibly research all of these areas of concern. There simply isn’t sufficient time to do it, is there.

If you’ve done your own research, which is properly referenced to primary sources, why not bring it to the UK Column so that it can be used for public education purposes.

I'm sorry but I don’t have first hand evidence of the suppression of information about free energy so can’t respond to your allegation.

The true reason for rocketing energy prices can be traced to the UNs Agenda 21 / sustainable development program. In compliance with this the UK Parliament introduced climate change legislation which hiked energy prices in order to subsidise wind farms, solar power and other crackpot green energy schemes. It is this that is causing energy poverty and generating rapidly escalating food prices because grain is diverted to produce bio-fuels.

Once again I can only suggest that if you have research material concerning the generation of ‘free energy’ perhaps this is another topic that the UK Column should consider promoting to a wider audience.

BTW: If I get over-stretched I can occasionally get a little ‘prickly’.

[PS: I've just noticed your new thread on free energy and have bookmarked it for future reading. Thanks for that.]

I wasn't talking about published research, I was talking about my own ongoing studies.

I was referring to the agenda to take the guns away from the people in the USA and the potential results, given the fact that the desire for massive depopulation has been published and the current president is willing to send drones off to kill people and tell jokes about it - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52JVljZW_cw

But it's absolutely disgusting what is happening in the UK too, satanic in fact.  As Mark Passio, a former priest in the Church of Satan has pointed out, the general mainstream culture is satanic today, literally.  He talks about writing down the central tenets of satanism on a piece of paper i.e. moral relativism, social darwinism and eugenics, and asking people whether they agreed with them, and many people did, not knowing that they were the central tenets of satanism.

martin wrote:

Multiply this across all hospital sites in the UK and how many victims could there be? Then there are the documented future plans to vaccinate smokers to turn off nicotene receptors. Could this be the Health sectors ‘final solution’ against ‘disgusting smokers?

They have also shown a pro-euthanasia documentary on the BBC hosted by Terry Pratchett who suffers from Alzheimer's disease.  They went to Dignitas in Switzerland and showed a man dying - a snuff film on mainstream television.  Pratchett argued strongly for legalised assisted suicide in the UK, as long as it wasn't abused, seemingly oblivious to the fact that everything always is.

I think the hive mind was induced in yesterday's citizens, and now they're fine-tuning the process.  The children who are being born today will be offered a brain chip in their 20s and could become part of a technologically binding hive mind in which perceiving themselves as separate, distinct individuals literally becomes an impossibility.  That's the agenda.

And normalising certain others.  Only this week Channel 4 has broadcast an American comedy series called "The New Normal" - a term that I think Alan Watt coined, and the mainstream media have started to use it - http://www.channel4.com/info/press/news/channel-4-acquires-the-new-normal  They are attempting to normalise homosexual couples adopting children.

I'm not sure why you use the word 'even', as though we shouldn't expect it from government.

Here's an excellent presentation by Larken Rose that's well worth watching for anyone who can find the time.  He uses the idea of an alien coming down from a different planet and a human having difficulty explaining what the government is and why we allow it and in this way he highlights some of the things that we often overlook about government i.e. it is an illusion, it is made up of some of the worst human beings, it operates under the threat of physical violence and ultimately, death.

Larken Rose - Free Your Mind Conference 2011 (38mins 50s) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bCz9gcvMfk

Definitely not.

I wrote an article several months ago on a different issue for a different website.  I emailed it to the UK Column basically saying feel free to use it and I didn't even get a reply.  I could probably write another article if I knew that it wasn't going to be ignored, after I've finished what I'm working on at the moment.  If you're talking about an article about 9/11 and the free energy issue then the most appropriate thing to do would be to contact Andrew Johnson who I reckon would probably be willing to write an article for the UK Column, maybe even with the collaboration of Dr. Wood herself.  Johnson has already written dozens of articles for his own website and might even be able to create a new article by amalgamating bits of existing articles.  You can email him here - http://www.checktheevidence.com/cms/contact.htm

The Arsene Wenger defence eh?  If you've researched 9/11 at all over the last few years and you haven't come across information about free energy technology that has been weaponised and was used on 9/11, why is that?  The almost total absence of discussion of Dr. Wood's information in the "truth movement" is the suppression in action.  I'm sure you must have come across similar methods in the mainstream media, and probably elsewhere too.

I agree.

Perhaps it is.  I'm not saying this to be needlessly confrontational or divisive - I respect and support the UK Column - but the trouble is that there is a cover up going on and Alex Jones has been centrally involved in that cover up.  I mean, does that matter to the UK Column?  There seems to be full support for Alex Jones no matter what.  Is that the case?  Would Alex Jones' involvement in the cover up have to be omitted from any article written for the UK Column?  I can understand the need for diplomacy and the argument that Jones isn't killing anyone or destroying the constitution, but who else could you say that about?  The BBC and the rest of the mainstream media routinely lies to the public without killing anyone or ruining our constitution, directly, don't they?  And the UK Column Live team often highlights such lies and hypocrisies, quite rightly, and does an excellent job.  But there seem to be some double standards when it comes to people who are generally perceived to be good guys.

That's not a problem for me.

You're welcome.

No. I haven't researched 911 at all.  I was reading law at the time of 911. Prior to that I spent seven years in the family law courts being stripped of all my assets and losing all contact with my own children. I now consider my legal training to have been high-level brainwashing.  It takes time to wake up and it's then extremely difficult to catch up what's been going on when you've been sleep-walking. The research skills I gained finally allowed me to understand that family breakdown was just one of many issues directly connected to an evil global agenda. The process of waking up is mentally painful. It also leaves behind feelings of shame and embarrassment at having been duped.

The easier and safest future pathway for me would have been to have turned a blind eye, looked the other way and done nothing.  There wouldn’t be the possibility of me being duped a second time, would there.

But who can I trust? Well all I can say is that Brian G’s observations on CP are supported by primary documentary evidence. My own independent research verifies this and shows that their graduates are actively promoting many elements of the global agenda. In relation to Brian’s talks on ‘Child Stealing by the State’ my own personal experience verifies the fact that families are being deliberately weakened by the state by stripping fathers of their paternal rights. This exposes young mothers and their children to monitoring and interference by social services departments and other arms or government. 

Big Government has form on this type of interference though don’t they. This was reported by the Telegraph in 1993  

Hotair101  asked: 'Who can you trust?'

You need to trust your own judgement when making an assesment about everyone else.

If Alex Jones is working for the other side then he is doing the worst possible job of it for them.

He has probably woken up more people than all of the other "alternative" reporters put together, and he tells people to do their own research, not just blindly follow him.
He does make mistakes (he is human),but when he discovers a mistake he apologizes and corrects it, often repeatedly.

I personally don't like the ranting, but some do. Different strokes.
He is a bit Marmite.

Even if you cant stand AJ, his show is still worth watching for the very many and varied guests he gives a platform to.

AJ also gets accused of selling too much stuff. I am grateful that he does otherwise I would not have quit smoking and been completely tobacco free for more than 2yrs (I am now vaping). I don't buy from his site as the shipping cost would be silly, instead, I look for a British supplier and buy from them. He does seem to only advertise stuff that is good for you in one way or another. I am after a good water filter next.

I think that on the whole he is doing a fantastic job.

  Dark rain, here is a link to water filters. I bought one from this company and it is fantastic. They are good to deal with too.

It would have been good if Alex Jones had suddenly pulled out a big cap-gun on Piers Morgan and gone BANG!...

Well. I know where I stand regarding Alex..... But he has certainly got you talking.

How's this for synchronicity?  The British Constitution Group has just uploaded 8 presentations from an event in November - https://www.youtube.com/user/BCGthe/videos?flow=grid - which includes one by Andrew Johnson - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsqDgourKfs  Johnson reads one of his recent articles, which I've also posted in the other thread.

Sorry, I assumed you had.  To summarize, there is the authorised mainstream media explanation involving 19 Arab hijackers successfully defeating the most sophisticated defensive system in known human history and flying planes into the twin towers, and the subsequent fire bringing down steel-framed skyscrapers for the only time in history.  This version is physically impossible but is still accepted by many people who believe it because of the perceived authority of the information source i.e. mainstream media.

There is also an authorised alternative media explanation involving bombs in the buildings and a conventional controlled demolition of the twin towers aided by thermite/thermate/nanothermite.  This version is also physically impossible because the available evidence proves that the towers did not collapse and did not slam down into the ground; they actually turned to dust, as proven by various different kinds of evidence including the video footage - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoAa_B2kRuo  But this version is still accepted by many people who believe it because of the perceived authority of the information source i.e. the alternative media.  A more recent theory, given the increased awareness of the fact that the buildings turned to dust, is that nukes and/or mini-nukes destroyed the buildings but the evidence shows that this too is an impossibility because there was no high heat, no damage to the bathtub - the "slurry wall" that shielded the foundation of the Twin Towers - the seismic signal was too low for nukes, etc. and various other anomalies that cannot be explained by the nukes theory e.g. the magnetometer data that shows that there was a shift in the earth's magnetic field at the exact moments of 5 specific events on 9/11; 1) the hole appearing in WTC1, 2) the hole appearing in WTC2, 3) WTC1 disappearing, 4) WTC2 disappearing, 5) WTC 7 disappearing.

Then there's Dr. Judy Wood's work which proves (as opposed to theorises) that directed energy weaponry was used on 9/11 and that the technology that was weaponised and used on 9/11 could also provide free energy for all of humanity.  The "truth movement" has dealt with this mainly by ignoring it, then by smearing, ridiculing and misrepresenting Dr. Wood and her research, and more recently by introducing other theories which combine aspects of Dr. Wood's work with disinformation and other evidence which Dr. Wood's work has disproven.  Also, the various anomalies that are ignored by pretty much all theories within the "truth movement" form various one-to-one correlations with various aspects of the Hutchison Effect e.g. jellified metal, levitation of objects/people, weird fires without heat etc., giving proof of concept.  The Hutchison Effect is named after self-educated Canadian scientist/maverick John Hutchison, who discovered the effects while he was experimenting with re-creating the work of Nikola Tesla, who also seems to have intended to supply free energy to the whole of humanity about a century ago.

Another important point is that thermite is made up of powdered aluminium and iron oxide, and the twin towers were steel-framed buildings with aluminium cladding.  Given that steel is mostly iron, and the twin towers (which had been there in the open air for decades) underwent molecular dissociation i.e. turned to dust, then you would expect to find traces of aluminium and iron oxide in the dust.  Also, given the absense of blinding flashes of light associated with thermite in action and the fact that thermite cannot possibly turn steel skyscrapers to dust, then it becomes clear that thermite was (and is) a deliberate red herring.  It's obviously not a coincidence that the man who introduced thermite to the "9/11 truth movement" is Steven E. Jones, the same man who was centrally involved in the Cold Fusion energy cover up in 1989 - see The Price of Secrecy, The Consequences of Cover Up by Andrew Johnson - http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=... Jones was heavily promoted by the other Jones, Alexander the Great.

It certainly is mentally painful.  But I think it's unfair on yourself to be ashamed or embarrassed about being duped by the grandmasters of deception, given that the entire system is set up specifically to achieve that end, and given that a hell of a lot of people in history have lived and died without ever getting close to figuring it out.  Then again it's easy to say don't feel this way or that way but it's not necessarily easy to avoid those feelings.

I think if you personified the concept of people being duped a second time, that person might look a lot like Alex Jones.  The point is, again, we are up against the masters of deception.  They are powerful in many ways, possibly including ways that we might not even be able to imagine just now - but personally, I suspect that you could say the same thing about each and every human being - and their power depends on keeping us deceived, so obviously there is more than one layer of deception in "the matrix".  There are probably layers that we haven't even considered yet.

Yes, and you need to be willing to hear things that are not necessarily nice to hear, if you want the truth.  As Bill Cooper said, the truth will set you free.  But first it will piss you off.

Indeed. I think I'll just keep calm and carry on with my research work here.

This is a more directed veiw on gun control.

http://youtu.be/5nh1rZIzPm0

I.m subscribed to this channel and he makes some reasonable videos.

Another one by him is the road to WW111. Also worth a watch.

http://youtu.be/HP7L8bw5QF4

I like the fact he talks about the invasions and massacre of the middle east, the fake war on terror, the global elite and the constant tip toeing totalitarian state but I don't like his persona at all. He deson't seem genuine the man has an agenda without a doubt. Woulnd't surprise me if he was a zionist or at the very least working for the other side. the piers morgan interview was just too wild west, it didn't seem real or natural at all and for me really inhanced my suspicions of him.

infowars is ok, but it grinds on me when they try and sell you bomb proof bunkers and dietery suppliments, gas masks etc etc they play on your fears and in essence that's exactly what the people he is supposedly exposing are doing so what's the difference! That being said i'm glad at least some people are taking the initiative and looking elsewhere for information and chances are if you know about alex jones you know about other sources of information so your narrative won't be in line with just infowars. People that are looking beyond the mainstream are open minded, i think you have to be to admit the mass media you have trusted for so many years is a source straight from the quagmire of filth that serves the elite and does nothing but dumb down and frighten the joe public so yeah i think the people are waking up and are discovering their own truth.

maybe not everyones cupa but turn down the speakers and watch the positive symbolism show

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGpzGu9Yp6Y

i do love the tune tho

my point is that even tho i am not an alex fan the subject needs all the promotion it gets , not everyone will get the message through a load mouth but if it works for some it will bring everyone together regarding the issue at hand to the nation

the road to WWIII mate by stormcloudsaregathering great man!

I'll post this elsewhere, but if you look at the instructions underneath the edit box for posts and replies, there is a new filter installed. So if you want to include a video, you just open some square brackets, and put video:YoutubeURL inside. So in fragle's case it would be square brackets with video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGpzGu9Yp6Y inside.

So you end up with:

thanks Mike