139 Responses to “EU Marxists Penetrate Westminster”

1. BobBobson says:

   January 23, 2010 at 3:13 pm - Reply

   I enjoy much of Brian Gerrish’s materials but I wonder if he has ever considered how much his world view is tainted by the ‘irrational fear of Soviets/Communists’ paradigm that his head seems to be trapped in.

   I am not saying that he doesn’t have good points, because he does. But similar to how those of a slightly older (than Gerrish) generation who were exposed to a cultural irrational fear of the Nazi’s often view the EU as nothing more than a cunning Nazi plot to finish what ‘they’ started 70 years ago, Gerrish’s whose mind would have been just beginning to work properly in the midst of the cold war and the media enduced paranoia and fear of the ‘Commie’ menace, I believe is still stuck wearing those ‘Red-Fear’ goggles.

   Despite highlighting many of the strutures of control in the modern day and drawing our attention to it’s many manipulations of society through the media and otherwise, Gerrish’s mind is still a victim of all the same kind of brainwashing and manipulations, albeit those that he was exposed to in his youth.

   This is a shame as in otherways his work presents very valid cases that are worthy of a greater level of public attention.

2. major hitch says:

   January 23, 2010 at 10:31 pm - Reply

   [quote='BobBobson' pid='4195' dateline='1264259609']
   I enjoy much of Brian Gerrish’s materials but I wonder if he has ever considered how much his world view is tainted by the ‘irrational fear of Soviets/Communists’ paradigm that his head seems to be trapped in.

   I am not saying that he doesn’t have good points, because he does. But similar to how those of a slightly older (than Gerrish) generation who were exposed to a cultural irrational fear of the Nazi’s often view the EU as nothing more than a cunning Nazi plot to finish what ‘they’ started 70 years ago, Gerrish’s whose mind would have been just beginning to work properly in the midst of the cold war and the media enduced paranoia and fear of the ‘Commie’ menace, I believe is still stuck wearing those ‘Red-Fear’ goggles.

   Despite highlighting many of the strutures of control in the modern day and drawing our attention to it’s many manipulations of society through the media and otherwise, Gerrish’s mind is still a victim of all the same kind of brainwashing and manipulations, albeit those that he was exposed to in his youth.

   This is a shame as in otherways his work presents very valid cases that are worthy of a greater level of public attention.
   [/quote]
   You remind me a bit of Ouija……tee hee. Could this be construed as ‘Cognitive Dissonance’.

3. Marcus says:

   January 23, 2010 at 11:52 pm - Reply

   [quote='BobBobson' pid='4195' dateline='1264259609']
   I enjoy much of Brian Gerrish’s materials but I wonder if he has ever considered how much his world view is tainted by the ‘irrational fear of Soviets/Communists’ paradigm that his head seems to be trapped in.

   I am not saying that he doesn’t have good points, because he does. But similar to how those of a slightly older (than Gerrish) generation who were exposed to a cultural irrational fear of the Nazi’s often view the EU as nothing more than a cunning Nazi plot to finish what ‘they’ started 70 years ago, Gerrish’s whose mind would have been just beginning to work properly in the midst of the cold war and the media enduced paranoia and fear of the ‘Commie’ menace, I believe is still stuck wearing those ‘Red-Fear’ goggles.

   Despite highlighting many of the strutures of control in the modern day and drawing our attention to it’s many manipulations of society through the media and otherwise, Gerrish’s mind is still a victim of all the same kind of brainwashing and manipulations, albeit those that he was exposed to in his youth.

   This is a shame as in otherways his work presents very valid cases that are worthy of a greater level of public attention.
   [/quote]

   Bob, what were the Nazis before they were Nazis? Do you think they could possibly have been Communists? Does the fact that before “Reichstag” the Germans of the National Socialists Party, were so similar to the Communists, that their banners and posters were almost identical to the “class struggle” of the Bolsheviks, the well known, very masculine poses with hammer and sickle? Do you not know that Hitler and Goebbels (and no doubt many others) were exceptionally fond of the writings of Marx and Engels?

   Bottom line – Communism = Fascism = Nazism – all constructs of the extreme left, nothing whatsoever to do with the right.
   There are those, like yourself who do believe that the Nazis are having a second crack of the whip, but the blatant fact that most of those involved in Europe are inclined more towards Marx than Hitler, proves that your ideas of Nazism mark II are unfounded with no substance.

   I strongly suggest you read some Bukovsky, Solzhenitsyn and in fact there’s Bezmenov on You Tube speaking back in the 80’s on Communist subversion. The communists knew that they had no hope of winning a head on war against the west, thus they split up and infiltrated the societies they wanted to take over. Thus we’re sitting in a horrendous situation where Gramsci’s hegemony ideas have not only been implemented fully into our establishments, but as Yuri Bezmenov states “Russian communism belief is simply to subvert a generation. It only takes twenty years for this to work and they’ve been at it since the 50’s.”

   The problem is that it will get to the point where the horse (humans) born inside the stable, will never want the freedom to run open in the fields. Freedom will not even exist. They’ll have been brainwashed easily into believing everything we take for granted, common sense and liberty are wrong and enemies of the state.
   Sadly, there is far more than currently meets the eye with the total obliteration of the West. We also have Islamic dominance on the rise yet again, as it has many times throughout the last 1,400 years although Mr Gerrish, believes Islam’s being set up, yet misses the simple point that when Islam (growing far faster than any other demographic) gains majority within Europe (40/50 years) it will take supremacy, as it has in every land, outside Saudi Arabia, now Muslim.
   There is also the matter of the Kingpin – Zionism, something I’m not even going to into.

   Ironic though that you think the EU is the rebirth of Nazism. Paul Noakes also believes that, but I strongly disagree. What’s happening reeks of Communism and moreso, where are all the Nazi run countries in this world compared to the Communist ones? Nazism is dead, well should I say, the German version of Russian Communism is dead.

4. Fremen says:

   January 24, 2010 at 2:09 am - Reply

   [quote]There is also the matter of the Kingpin – Zionism, something I’m not even going to into.
   [/quote]

   ‘The idea was that those who direct the overall conspiracy could use the differences in those two so–called ideologies [marxism/fascism/socialism v. democracy/capitalism] to enable them to divide larger and larger portions of the human race into opposing camps so that they could be armed and then brainwashed into fighting and destroying each other.’

   – from The Illuminati and the Council on Foreign Relations by Myron Fagan”

   [quote]it will take supremacy, as it has in every land, outside Saudi Arabia, now Muslim.[/quote]

   The saudis have a long history aiding the above.

   Even the zionist (of the Banking kind and zionist supporters of) false flag attack of 9/11 was blamed on them (saudis) but they weren’t invaded.

5. Marcus says:

   January 24, 2010 at 9:52 am - Reply

   [quote='Fremen' pid='4207' dateline='1264298957']
   [quote]There is also the matter of the Kingpin – Zionism, something I’m not even going to into.
   [/quote]

   ‘The idea was that those who direct the overall conspiracy could use the differences in those two so–called ideologies [marxism/fascism/socialism v. democracy/capitalism] to enable them to divide larger and larger portions of the human race into opposing camps so that they could be armed and then brainwashed into fighting and destroying each other.’

   – from The Illuminati and the Council on Foreign Relations by Myron Fagan”

   [quote]it will take supremacy, as it has in every land, outside Saudi Arabia, now Muslim.[/quote]

   The saudis have a long history aiding the above.

   Even the zionist (of the Banking kind and zionist supporters of) false flag attack of 9/11 was blamed on them (saudis) but they weren’t invaded.
   [/quote]

   Oh completely. Zionism has been orchestrating conflict in the West for centuries. They were evicted from the UK in the early part of the last millennium by Edward, but Cromwell invited them back in because of their wealth. Every major conflict over the last 200+ years in the West has been created by Zionism, for the simple reason to rebuild Zion, their throne, that they can sit atop of and control the whole world, by that time will be nothing more than one landmass. While we currently have the EU, there will of course next be the joining of the USA, Canada and Mexico to form the North American Union, the same with all African lands into the African Union and the same with all Asian lands into the Asian Union. In fact, it’s no different to the nations in Orwell’s 1984 of Oceania, Eurasia and Eastasia. Israel will have total control as it will be where the one world government and bank will be, although at that time there will be no money passing hands, merely RFID chips within people, holding all their biometric data, that can be switched off whenever they want, to destroy these people who do not obey “Big Brother.” Thus we are heading for a world where there will be no attempt to escape the control of Israel as people will know it will mean instant death.

   Regarding Saudi Arabia, 15 out of the so called “terrorists” in 9/11 were Saudis and yet we invaded Afghanistan. That really figures doesn’t it? Could you imagine the second world war:

   “Winston, the Germans have invaded Poland”
   “Hmm….right, send our troops into attack the Greeks……”

   Saudi Arabia wouldn’t be touched, for if it were the whole of the Muslim world would be up in arms. Saudi is the fatherland of all Muslims, the birth place of Muhammad, the “friend of the west”, the funder of all Mosque building in the West and Muslim courses in University and the pumper of Wahabism into the West also. There is also the matter of billions of Saudi Sharia Finance, being pumped into British business on a regular basis, which explains why there is such favouritism to Islam within the government. Gordon Brown just loves those Arab Sheiks doesn’t he? While he’s screwing up the country’s finance, they’re giving him an unlimited supply of money to cover his addiction to wasting people’s money.
   Brian Gerrish believes that Islam is being targeted by CP because they want to destroy the family unit. I disagree. Brian Gerrish doesn’t understand Islam, is ignorant on its history, knows nothing about the life of Muhammad and is oblivious to how Islam has managed to take over every country they now occupy, formerly non Muslim. CP can continue to try and break the family unit within Islam, but they’ll have to do it before Islam grows to reach a majority within 50 years. Then they will simply take control of whatever order is in power and this will be the same all over Europe. The EU will fall within 15/20 years, but my question is who will then take charge then? My guess is Islam, just be shear numbers due to a far higher population growth than any other demographic.

6. lerustique says:

   January 24, 2010 at 10:50 am - Reply

   I hope Brian and his team never stop to consider how much their [i]“world view is tainted by the ‘irrational fear of Soviets/Communists’ paradigm”[/i] that they [i]“seem to be trapped in”[/i].
   I believe Brian and his team are incredibly wise to be [i]“wearing those ‘Red-Fear’ goggles,”[/i] and I am now wearing a pair myself.
   Have you ever seen a film called “They Live” Bob?
   BobBobSon refers above to [i]“a cultural irrational fear of the Nazi’s”[/i] and [i]“the media enduced paranoia and fear of the ‘Commie’ menace.”[/i] Huh!
   How many millions and millions of people across the planet have these 2 very similar ideologies killed Bob? Countless multi-millions of innocent people right across the world have died horrible, gruesome, wicked, vile, and terrifying deaths. The biggest killer by far during the 20th century was the social experimentation of these evil, godless fascist/commie regimes. Quite frankly, if you are not concerned yet about the direction this country – and all the people in the EU are headed, I guarantee you will be quite soon!
   Instead of visualising the far left and the far right as either ends of a line, try imagining the line as a length of bendy bamboo and bend the ends around to touch each other. That area where they touch and either side of the join is [b]a red for danger area[/b] – and we all need to stay and keep our governments as far away from that red area as possible – on the other side of the circle. That is where Republicanism, Democracy and individual freedom sit. THE EU IS SLITHERING RAPIDLY TOWARDS THE RED AREA! Brian and his people are trying to reveal this to the public and it is serious stuff.
   I suppose the EU is OK because there is nobody in it at present strutting about wearing a shapeless grey suit or an old-fashioned Stalin/Hitler-type moustache, eh Bob? –
   Oh – Angela Merkel – I forgot about her, she wears both, so does Julia Middleton, and hideous Harriet Hardarse! Caroline Flint is a nazi too, draw a Hitler moustache on a picture of her – she’s got the mad eyes of a fanatical looney!

7. major hitch says:

   January 24, 2010 at 10:51 am - Reply

   [quote='Marcus' pid='4206' dateline='1264290755']
   [quote='BobBobson' pid='4195' dateline='1264259609']
   I enjoy much of Brian Gerrish’s materials but I wonder if he has ever considered how much his world view is tainted by the ‘irrational fear of Soviets/Communists’ paradigm that his head seems to be trapped in.

   I am not saying that he doesn’t have good points, because he does. But similar to how those of a slightly older (than Gerrish) generation who were exposed to a cultural irrational fear of the Nazi’s often view the EU as nothing more than a cunning Nazi plot to finish what ‘they’ started 70 years ago, Gerrish’s whose mind would have been just beginning to work properly in the midst of the cold war and the media enduced paranoia and fear of the ‘Commie’ menace, I believe is still stuck wearing those ‘Red-Fear’ goggles.

   Despite highlighting many of the strutures of control in the modern day and drawing our attention to it’s many manipulations of society through the media and otherwise, Gerrish’s mind is still a victim of all the same kind of brainwashing and manipulations, albeit those that he was exposed to in his youth.

   This is a shame as in otherways his work presents very valid cases that are worthy of a greater level of public attention.
   [/quote]

   Bob, what were the Nazis before they were Nazis? Do you think they could possibly have been Communists? Does the fact that before “Reichstag” the Germans of the National Socialists Party, were so similar to the Communists, that their banners and posters were almost identical to the “class struggle” of the Bolsheviks, the well known, very masculine poses with hammer and sickle? Do you not know that Hitler and Goebbels (and no doubt many others) were exceptionally fond of the writings of Marx and Engels?

   Bottom line – Communism = Fascism = Nazism – all constructs of the extreme left, nothing whatsoever to do with the right.
   There are those, like yourself who do believe that the Nazis are having a second crack of the whip, but the blatant fact that most of those involved in Europe are inclined more towards Marx than Hitler, proves that your ideas of Nazism mark II are unfounded with no substance.

   I strongly suggest you read some Bukovsky, Solzhenitsyn and in fact there’s Bezmenov on You Tube speaking back in the 80’s on Communist subversion. The communists knew that they had no hope of winning a head on war against the west, thus they split up and infiltrated the societies they wanted to take over. Thus we’re sitting in a horrendous situation where Gramsci’s hegemony ideas have not only been implemented fully into our establishments, but as Yuri Bezmenov states “Russian communism belief is simply to subvert a generation. It only takes twenty years for this to work and they’ve been at it since the 50’s.”

   The problem is that it will get to the point where the horse (humans) born inside the stable, will never want the freedom to run open in the fields. Freedom will not even exist. They’ll have been brainwashed easily into believing everything we take for granted, common sense and liberty are wrong and enemies of the state.
   Sadly, there is far more than currently meets the eye with the total obliteration of the West. We also have Islamic dominance on the rise yet again, as it has many times throughout the last 1,400 years although Mr Gerrish, believes Islam’s being set up, yet misses the simple point that when Islam (growing far faster than any other demographic) gains majority within Europe (40/50 years) it will take supremacy, as it has in every land, outside Saudi Arabia, now Muslim.
   There is also the matter of the Kingpin – Zionism, something I’m not even going to into.

   Ironic though that you think the EU is the rebirth of Nazism. Paul Noakes also believes that, but I strongly disagree. What’s happening reeks of Communism and moreso, where are all the Nazi run countries in this world compared to the Communist ones? Nazism is dead, well should I say, the German version of Russian Communism is dead.
   [/quote]
   Nazi-ism comprises on the economic side of ;monopoly capitalism,corporate fascism, gangster capitalism, and crony capitalism ;while on the social side we have , political correctness, cultural marxism, communitarianism,the scientific dictatorship, together with eugenics.
   Sounds a lot like the US and the UK today to me.

8. Baron von Lotsov says:

   January 24, 2010 at 6:47 pm - Reply

   Yes it was a good article. Thanks for the plug for Gerard Batten when he exposed Prodi as a KGB operative. Gerard Batten seems to be going a bit wonky these days, as it appears the enemy are kind of working on him and turning him against the leadership of the party. I often chat to his publicity agent and do my best to keep him on track. I remember when David Shayler exposed the system and to see what a job they did on him was frightening. They don’t attack these people physically, they attack their minds.

9. Fremen says:

   January 25, 2010 at 1:19 am - Reply

   [quote]Brian Gerrish believes that Islam is being targeted by CP because they want to destroy the family unit. I disagree. Brian Gerrish doesn’t understand Islam, is ignorant on its history, knows nothing about the life of Muhammad and is oblivious to how Islam has managed to take over every country they now occupy, formerly non Muslim. CP can continue to try and break the family unit within Islam, but they’ll have to do it before Islam grows to reach a majority within 50 years. Then they will simply take control of whatever order is in power and this will be the same all over Europe. The EU will fall within 15/20 years, but my question is who will then take charge then? My guess is Islam, just be shear numbers due to a far higher population growth than any other demographic.[/quote]

   No i disagree, I’m against UKIP, CP, BMC ect ect.

   Its much to do with CP and the BMC ect; merging all the religions into their way of thinking.

   The Muslim population growth is not a problem. Unless the PTB use it as they always do to cause conflict rubbing thier hands while others stupidly do thier bidding for them, while they go from one agenda to the next.

10. theplebian says:

    January 25, 2010 at 1:39 am - Reply

    Good thread.I find myself both agreeing and disagreeing with aspects of all the comments posted.
    It is to a certain extent true that Brian does seem to concentrate on the marxist side of the nature of what is going on in our political system/public sector but if you look at the backgrounds of many of the characters involved he is correct.To a certain extent this might well reflect some of his personal political leanings but i believe it is the totalitarian nature of what is going on he is highlighting.From what ive heard in Brians talks it is the state control,social engineering ,anti libertarian or cultural marxism that he emphasises,rather than other aspects of ,dare i say left/right political viewpoints such as free market versus protectionism economic/industrial beliefs.
    I think the key word here might be [b]communitarism[/b],which i had not even heard of till quite recently.This,certainly in the form it appears to be taking,seems aptly described in a quote by someone as a cross between marxism/fascism(i believe interchangable for these purposes) and hyper banking/super capitalism.A very unwholesome combination in my opinion and eventually probably the worst of all worlds.

    As for the Islam issue i tend to agree to some point muslims in the UK and elsewhere are being set up.This seems to be part of the State’s deliberate divide and rule policy through political correctness,unecessary mass immigration now appearing to be effectively used solely as a weapon against the British people by the State,social engineering and “positive” discrimination:huh: with a view to the balkanisation of Britain.Growing anger at this appears to be spreading amongst sections of the increasingly unrepresented indiginous population and directed at other groups(not just muslims) as it in my opinion was intended to by the PTB
    However i do personally think there is more than one issue here and agree with Marcus that it would be naive to think militant Islam is not a threat in Britain.That it appears to be being nurtured,encouraged and certainly used by our own establishment,to pursue their own agendas,does not mean it does not exist.The fact is that anyone with half a brain should now know that conflicts like Iraq should and would not have happened if governments werent completely working in accordance with the wishes of outside concerns,(ie. not their electorates),and while hopefully people will pay for their actions in this regard, i dont believe in adopting a “We Bad…..Them Good” attitude nationally or internationally.This ethos would seem to have been adopted and almost turned into a religon by cetain elements of political thinking on the far left.This has led them to effectively supporting the Soviet Union in the Cold War whilst campaigning for us to disarm,supporting the IRA when bombs were going off in our cities and most ridiculously of all supporting a Fascist Military Junta of a country of Spanish settlers when they invaded a small group of islands populated by a few thousand British settlers who had been there just as long or even longer than the Spanish.Personally although i think those who run our system and manipulate events to pursue their agendas are guilty of heinous crimes,are effectively out of control and need to be brought to heel for everyones sake i dont necessarily believe everybody else smells of roses.

    In much the same way i dont think most Muslims are terrorists,a threat or just bad i believe it is an unfair simplification to confuse Zionism with Judaism.As ive got an old friend of mine ive known for over 20 years,since i was a kid,whose Jewish who has the same feelings as me about whats going on in the country,i had a little browse on the net to explore this issue.
    The basic conclusion i came to was it was in no way anti semetic to criticise say the Rothschilds,our financial system or the actions of Zionists in Israel,and any move to portray it as such is simply playing the race/gender/general grievance card you see so much in everyday life.I had a look especially at anti Zionist or non Zionist Jews,ranging from the the Orthodox sect that believe the state of Israel is blasphemy(i believe PLM posted this link in the Rothschild thread),elements of the anti Zionist far left in Israel,to the more mainstream Jewish peace movements both in Israel and elsewhere.[b]However[/b] i did find that there are without a doubt non Jewish anti Zionists that clearly just dont like Jews full stop.
    Possibly the most interesting thing i read whilst looking into a particularly deranged Zionist and his organization was the figures from a couple of sources estimating that Zionist numbers were in the region of 40-50 million worldwide and growing.As the total number of Jews in the world is considerably less than half of this and not all Jews are Zionists,if these figures are correct it would appear there are many more non Jewish Zionists(largely evangelical Christians but not all) than Jewish ones.I must admit i find this a bit odd.I know there have always been non Jewish supporters of Israel but is the Zionist aspect a relatively new phenomenom at least in the public eye?Is the thinking behind it due to religous beliefs,political expediency , to square up to Islam,a combination or something else?I was wondering if anyone had any views.Sorry a bit off topic.

    Regards
    theplebian

11. Briang says:

    January 25, 2010 at 10:50 am - Reply

    [quote='BobBobson' pid='4195' dateline='1264259609']
    I enjoy much of Brian Gerrish’s materials but I wonder if he has ever considered how much his world view is tainted by the ‘irrational fear of Soviets/Communists’ paradigm that his head seems to be trapped in.

    I am not saying that he doesn’t have good points, because he does. But similar to how those of a slightly older (than Gerrish) generation who were exposed to a cultural irrational fear of the Nazi’s often view the EU as nothing more than a cunning Nazi plot to finish what ‘they’ started 70 years ago, Gerrish’s whose mind would have been just beginning to work properly in the midst of the cold war and the media enduced paranoia and fear of the ‘Commie’ menace, I believe is still stuck wearing those ‘Red-Fear’ goggles.

    Despite highlighting many of the strutures of control in the modern day and drawing our attention to it’s many manipulations of society through the media and otherwise, Gerrish’s mind is still a victim of all the same kind of brainwashing and manipulations, albeit those that he was exposed to in his youth.

    This is a shame as in otherways his work presents very valid cases that are worthy of a greater level of public attention.
    [/quote]
    Reply from Brian Gerrish

    Great to see so many replies to the article. Yours Bob is interesting. You state
    ” I enjoy much of Brian Gerrish’s materials but I wonder if he has ever considered how much his world view is tainted by the ‘irrational fear of Soviets/Communists’ paradigm that his head seems to be trapped in”. Where do you get “irrational fear” from? The Marxist ideology applied in various forms across the world has murdered and tortured millions of people – a collective conservative figure would be over 100 million with China and the Bolshevik Soviets as a starting point. This fact is neither irrational nor a paradigm. Your attack and words smack of a socialist attacking the person (mental state) not the evidence put forward. You also talk of a “cultural irrational fear of the Nazis”. Where is the irrational?, as again we know for a fact that actions by the Nazis resulted in the deaths of millions of people. We also know that the nazi brand of socialism is also based on Marx. I have focused on Marx for that reason. There is more …”Gerrish’s mind is still a victim of all the same kind of brainwashing and manipulations, albeit those that he was exposed to in his youth.’…..you give a classic socialist attack on the mind not the topic. At the end of the day, as I have warned, the Marxist revolution these people are creating will eat its young and all those too stupid to see it for what it is. Are you a professional disrupter Bob or trapped in the paradigm of believing the marxist ideology for One World Government does not exist? Keep posting as we need to get your views in the open. rgds Brian G[hr]
    [quote='Marcus' pid='4210' dateline='1264326774']
    [quote='Fremen' pid='4207' dateline='1264298957']
    [quote]There is also the matter of the Kingpin – Zionism, something I’m not even going to into.
    [/quote]

    ‘The idea was that those who direct the overall conspiracy could use the differences in those two so–called ideologies [marxism/fascism/socialism v. democracy/capitalism] to enable them to divide larger and larger portions of the human race into opposing camps so that they could be armed and then brainwashed into fighting and destroying each other.’

    – from The Illuminati and the Council on Foreign Relations by Myron Fagan”

    [quote]it will take supremacy, as it has in every land, outside Saudi Arabia, now Muslim.[/quote]

    The saudis have a long history aiding the above.

    Even the zionist (of the Banking kind and zionist supporters of) false flag attack of 9/11 was blamed on them (saudis) but they weren’t invaded.
    [/quote]

    Oh completely. Zionism has been orchestrating conflict in the West for centuries. They were evicted from the UK in the early part of the last millennium by Edward, but Cromwell invited them back in because of their wealth. Every major conflict over the last 200+ years in the West has been created by Zionism, for the simple reason to rebuild Zion, their throne, that they can sit atop of and control the whole world, by that time will be nothing more than one landmass. While we currently have the EU, there will of course next be the joining of the USA, Canada and Mexico to form the North American Union, the same with all African lands into the African Union and the same with all Asian lands into the Asian Union. In fact, it’s no different to the nations in Orwell’s 1984 of Oceania, Eurasia and Eastasia. Israel will have total control as it will be where the one world government and bank will be, although at that time there will be no money passing hands, merely RFID chips within people, holding all their biometric data, that can be switched off whenever they want, to destroy these people who do not obey “Big Brother.” Thus we are heading for a world where there will be no attempt to escape the control of Israel as people will know it will mean instant death.

    Regarding Saudi Arabia, 15 out of the so called “terrorists” in 9/11 were Saudis and yet we invaded Afghanistan. That really figures doesn’t it? Could you imagine the second world war:

    “Winston, the Germans have invaded Poland”
    “Hmm….right, send our troops into attack the Greeks……”

    Saudi Arabia wouldn’t be touched, for if it were the whole of the Muslim world would be up in arms. Saudi is the fatherland of all Muslims, the birth place of Muhammad, the “friend of the west”, the funder of all Mosque building in the West and Muslim courses in University and the pumper of Wahabism into the West also. There is also the matter of billions of Saudi Sharia Finance, being pumped into British business on a regular basis, which explains why there is such favouritism to Islam within the government. Gordon Brown just loves those Arab Sheiks doesn’t he? While he’s screwing up the country’s finance, they’re giving him an unlimited supply of money to cover his addiction to wasting people’s money.
    Brian Gerrish believes that Islam is being targeted by CP because they want to destroy the family unit. I disagree. Brian Gerrish doesn’t understand Islam, is ignorant on its history, knows nothing about the life of Muhammad and is oblivious to how Islam has managed to take over every country they now occupy, formerly non Muslim. CP can continue to try and break the family unit within Islam, but they’ll have to do it before Islam grows to reach a majority within 50 years. Then they will simply take control of whatever order is in power and this will be the same all over Europe. The EU will fall within 15/20 years, but my question is who will then take charge then? My guess is Islam, just be shear numbers due to a far higher population growth than any other demographic.
    [/quote]
    By Brian Gerrish

    As I have mentioned earlier in the forum…great to see so much discussion. “Brian Gerrish believes that Islam is being targeted by CP…he is ignorant of its history….” I don’t believe, I check my facts and I study before I write. CP is definitely working to penetrate Muslim families in UK, and I discuss this with the Muslims themselves. As a nation, and together with other free people in the world, we are being attacked. Those attacking are hiding in the shadows. Their best weapon is to create confusion and divide and rule… to get their enemies fighting amongst each other. That can be black and white, protestant and catholic, Scots and English, Muslim and Christian or any other combination. Did Muslims invade UK? No they and millions of others were ‘invited’ in by politicians. The same politicians are continuing to encourage immigration in such numbers that our society is now breaking down, fragmenting and the risk of violence is increasing. This is the supranational one world plan where national identity and the nation state is to be destroyed. Whilst shouting ‘celebrate diversity’ the real agenda is create a single mass of humanity who have in fact lost their identity. Is this ideology from Islam? No. Is this the fault of the immigrants? No. It is those politicians we should be looking at to see what agenda they are really running and which bankers are funding controlling them. What are the political and ideological links that bind the bankers? Take Cameron who is now talking about limiting immigration ………his weasel words are …..”from outside the EU.” It is of course EU immigration which is doing the damage and he is signed up to that programme supported by his banker friends. Every person of every colour and creed in UK is at risk from those in the shadows. Suggest you look closer at the faces that are emerging from the gloom….mostly friends of Rothschild, his bankers and similar. rgds Bg

12. Martin Edwards says:

    January 25, 2010 at 11:50 am - Reply

    BrianG,

    What your research has uncovered in Westminster is mirrored in Australia according to my latest research. The [i]‘placemen’[/i] who presently operate the levers of power in our Government, financial and legal systems are definately following a [i]‘one world government agenda”.[/i] They cannot succeed until Sovereign Nation States are first weakened and then destroyed. (Keep an eye on Iceland and Greece)

    They have been working on this for generations whilst the MSM distract us continuously with issues such as cash for questions, cash for peerages, expenses scandals, health pandemics and false flag terrorism.

    It was their biggest mistake to assume that the public were incapable of joining the dots for themselves.

13. Novauk says:

    January 25, 2010 at 3:55 pm - Reply

    I dont think Britain will ever recover now from what these people have done in recent years , you can call them Fascists/Communists or whatever you like but the main goal always was to bring the whole world under one system run by a small group of corporate banking elite , who will dictate to us everything we can and cant do , political correctness is just the beginners guide to free speech censorship they make it sound reasonable at first and that its just to stop racism or hate speech but that was just a way to get people used to being told what they can and cant say , it will ultimately end up as all criticism of the Government being illegal , that always was the main goal of it to end free speech in the west , and to define the relationship between master and slave , our whole system has been turned on its head from them supposedly serving the people to us now being dictated to and being told what to think , say , and how to behave , this is dangerous as history shows every time large amounts of power is transferred into the hands of the few it has been a disaster for the people and now we have the real prospect of a unelected world government run by these ruthless banking families , who have been horribly manipulating this world for centuries.

    I’m not a religious man , but god help us is all ill say !

14. Baron von Lotsov says:

    January 25, 2010 at 4:07 pm - Reply

    [quote='Briang' pid='4233' dateline='1264416639']
    We also know that the nazi brand of socialism is also based on Marx.
    [/quote]

    Well there is some documentary evidence that the Nazis were infiltrated by the Soviets. One defected in 1972 when this was made public and then there was a mysterious figure called Martin Bormann, who was high up in the Nazi ranks and pretty much told Hitler what to do. I think he could have been your soviet influence, but of course that’s just a tag because the soviets were run by Jewish bankers. Either way he was being employed to run the Nazi war machine, and of course this is not surprising because Hitler himself was someone who at the time he was selected for the job was some nobody down-and-out looking for work. Apparently he had been injured by a gas attack in WW1 when it was said he suffered brain damage. It’s all detailed in the diary of Bridget Hitler, but just like Heinrich Muller getting a job advising the Whitehouse after WW2, the establishment are trying their hardest to erase these inconvenient facts from our history. Even the falling of the Berlin wall did not stop it. Perhaps you would like to see what Christopher Story has to say on this.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFA4B1rCKvg&feature=player_embedded

15. Marcus says:

    January 25, 2010 at 5:23 pm - Reply

    [quote='Fremen' pid='4227' dateline='1264382347']…….The Muslim population growth is not a problem. Unless the PTB use it as they always do to cause conflict rubbing thier hands while others stupidly do thier bidding for them, while they go from one agenda to the next.
    [/quote]

    Fremen, a couple of questions first if you may?

    1. Have you read the Qur’an and the Hadith?
    2. Have you studied why all Muslims lands now, formerly not Muslim, are so?
    3. Do you know that those born of Muslims are Muslims and are not allowed to leave Islam for fear of death?
    4. Do you know that Islam is the fastest growing religion and demographic in the world?
    5. Do you know that the UK and Europe will be majority Muslim by 2050?
    6. Do you really think we should play this game of Russian Roulette wondering whether or not those Muslims in the West are going to be westernised or easternised to impose domination of our land under Islam?

    I ask these questions Fremen, because someone who has extensively read about Islam, it’s past and present and pondered its future, I’m gravely concerned about its presence in the west and moreso, the freedom of my people and liberty.
    I have had many discussions with people on Islam and sadly, I’ve found that those who are against what I’ve said have never read the Qur’an or studied Islam, but have their views because Muhammad in the newsagents is a nice man!

    The problem here is that forget about CP; forget about Marxist takeover; forget about Zionist control for the simple fact that it will be totally outnumbered by Muslim citizens who will make up the overwhelming majority of people not just in the East but throughout the Western civilisation. When you look at the simple fact that the average birthrate of non Muslims (whites) is around 1.5 and then look at Muslims, around 5/6 then do the math.

    If Islamisation happens and it will unless Islamic growth is greatly reduced then you can kiss goodbye to any political ideology bar Islam and Sharia. Our ancestry, culture and traditions will disappear, never, ever, ever to resurface as the children will be indoctrinated with Islamic text from the Qur’an. We are looking at the total obliteration of western culture and civilisation and this land will turn into another Pakistan/Iran.

    Don’t believe me? Well, let’s just hope for your future generations’ sake I’m wrong and the above won’t happen. If however I’m right, there will be nothing whatsoever to do to change it once it comes.

    I strongly suggest that you start talking to some apostates of Islam who have fled Islamic lands to live in the west, now watching as our governments and politicians curtail and bow down to Islam as those in their previous lands also did.
    Islam is all about domination and it will dominate.

    First EU control (Communist, Fascist, Nazi) then Islamic control (by simple birthrate). I truly believe that the idaes of RFID chips will disappear because Islam is a faith that cannot be broken because the level of indoctrination as a child is far greater than anything communism could ever hope to achieve.

    If you don’t believe me, then read the Qur’an and Islamic history, especially Islamic Jihad throughout the last 1,400 years. It’s an incredibly interesting read but more so, should be a warning to all who believe in liberty and freedom. IT SIMPLY DOES NOT NOR WILL IT EVER EXIST WITHIN ISLAM.

16. Marcus says:

    January 25, 2010 at 6:29 pm - Reply

    [quote='Briang' pid='4233' dateline='1264416639']
    By Brian Gerrish

    As I have mentioned earlier in the forum…great to see so much discussion. “Brian Gerrish believes that Islam is being targeted by CP…he is ignorant of its history….” I don’t believe, I check my facts and I study before I write. CP is definitely working to penetrate Muslim families in UK, and I discuss this with the Muslims themselves. As a nation, and together with other free people in the world, we are being attacked. Those attacking are hiding in the shadows. Their best weapon is to create confusion and divide and rule… to get their enemies fighting amongst each other. That can be black and white, protestant and catholic, Scots and English, Muslim and Christian or any other combination. Did Muslims invade UK? No they and millions of others were ‘invited’ in by politicians. The same politicians are continuing to encourage immigration in such numbers that our society is now breaking down, fragmenting and the risk of violence is increasing. This is the supranational one world plan where national identity and the nation state is to be destroyed. Whilst shouting ‘celebrate diversity’ the real agenda is create a single mass of humanity who have in fact lost their identity. Is this ideology from Islam? No. Is this the fault of the immigrants? No. It is those politicians we should be looking at to see what agenda they are really running and which bankers are funding controlling them. What are the political and ideological links that bind the bankers? Take Cameron who is now talking about limiting immigration ………his weasel words are …..”from outside the EU.” It is of course EU immigration which is doing the damage and he is signed up to that programme supported by his banker friends. Every person of every colour and creed in UK is at risk from those in the shadows. Suggest you look closer at the faces that are emerging from the gloom….mostly friends of Rothschild, his bankers and similar. rgds Bg
    [/quote]

    Firstly, thank you for replying to me Brian, it’s very much appreciated.
    Secondly read my reply above to Fremen if you may and see if you can answer the questions I’ve asked him.

    I agree with almost everything that you’ve stated on here and in your videos. You are an exceptionally clued up individual, I won’t deny that. You are warning the people of the UK of a massive threat to their culture and society, but alas, if you had read the Qur’an, the hadith, studied Islam and the life of Muhammad as I have, then you would not be so “sympathetic” to Muslims in the UK and Islam. I called you ignorant on Islam not on life and that is not an insult but merely a statement that you are clearly unknowledgable of what it truly is and about.

    I know all too well of Marxist School of Frankfurt theory, that in order to destroy a Nation, one must make it hate itself so much that it’s quite happy to accept control by any other. This of course is done by indoctrination at school of hating history, the assassination of great figures from our past, the lambasting of those trying to protect our culture and moreso, liberal fascism, telling us how we should live our lives, making it clear that anyone who should want to live by their own culture (British culture) is therefore a hater of all other culture and thus a racist.
    I know all too well that to flood a country with millions of immigrants from foreign cultures is a prime way of breaking up that nation also. In fact, this hegemony goes all the way back, long before Gramsci and in fact to Sun Tsu’s Art of War or winning a battle without shedding a drop of blood. It was of course picked up by the Communists in their Communist subversion tactics of indoctrinating a generation and let them do their work for them – see Yuri Bezmenov on You Tube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JN0By0xbst8 .

    You are incredibly skilled in the art of Submarine and naval superiority, but what do you know of the spread of Islam, from Saudi Arabia, since the 7th century? What do you know about the violent, robbing, torturing, slave imposing, butchery of Muhammad? I say this because I’ve read it, not made it up, in the Qur’an and the hadith, written by Muslims, for Muslims.
    Muslims did not invade the UK, they were brought in as cheap labour to the factories of the North of England. I know this Brian. West Indians did not invade the UK. They were brought here to rebuild the country after a generation was wiped out not just in WW2 but also WW1. The plans of the total destruction of the UK was in place long before WW1 and yes, the Rothschilds had a lot to do with it.
    I also know that they want to get everyone fighting against one another, divide an conquer as you say, but the bottom line here is that every nation in this world can quite happily live alongside most cultures, that is until you introduce Islam into the equation. Tell me, what other religion do you know kills those who want to leave?

    What I find at odds with is that you must therefore believe that the likes of Anjem Choudary, Abu Izzadeen, Abu Qatada, Abu Hamza are all agent provocateurs for the communists, who are subverting our society. Does that mean the those involved within the Ch4 documentary Undercover Mosques investigation, in Green Lane, Birmingham; those who preached to fellow Muslims about waging Jihad and killing the kuffar/infidel are also working with the Communists? Are you telling me that Russian communism is so great that’s it’s managed to completely subvert Islamic society in Africa, the Middle East and Asia? Are you also implying that Saudi Arabia, responsible for building and running of the Regent’s Park mosque, part of the investigation into offensive material in its stores, responsible for the pumping of wahabism into the UK and the building of Mosques all over Europe has been subverted by communism? Does that mean therefore that the violent teachings/ideology of Muhammad they’re promoting in the UK, is actually communism and thus it existed in Saudi Arabia, 7th Century before Marx and Engels put pen to paper?
    Those who understand Islam, have read about Islam, see all too clearly just what Choudary, Izzadee, Qatada, Hamza, Qradawi et all are not hijackers of Islam, but in fact proponents of true Islam as taught by Muhammad. This is the path that they dictate Muslims should follow, to live by Sharia Law, to Islamise every land non Muslim and to see that Islam has total supremacy throughout the globe.
    Muslims never invaded the UK but they’re colonising it. I am a member of the Libertarians in Scotland and I do not support the BNP because they are Socialist organisation, but the reason they won seats in the North in the last EU elections is just because of Islam. It’s growing. it’s growing at an exponential rate and people are scared. The West Indians who made Birmingham their home, I should know as my ex’s sister is one of them, has told her that many are packing up and going back home at the Islamisation of Birmingham.

    What you say in your reply, most of it I agree with but then did the British not introduce rabbits into Australia who bred so fast they had to introduce miximitosis to quell them? What you don’t realise is happening Brian is, that if you allow Islam to grow, to have the freedom to impose it cultural dominance on Britain as it has in all other Islamic lands, then there won’t just be no CP, Marxist School of Frankfurt critical theorists, Fabians, Nazis….THERE WON’T BE ANY UK! This country will simply devolve into a Pakistan, an Iran, or any other Islamic land in this world only existing because of western aid, but there won’t be any western aid because this WAS the west.
    The communists are playing a deadly game of Russian Roulette. They really believe that they’re going to manage to brainwash a people who’s belief system was indoctrinated within them as a young child, to read the Qur’an over and over again and to no no life other than the teachings of Muhammad. You believe that they’re going to subvert Islamic thinking, into Communist nihilism. I’m not so pessimistic as you. Why? For the simple reason that I’ve spoken with many apostates who have told me that Islam is imprinted on people’s minds, it’s their life, their only reason for living and many will die protecting it.
    More so Brian, tell me, have you ever gone to the website of Maryam Namazie? She is involved with the Council of ex Muslims here in the UK and the reason that she’s here is because she’s very much part of the Communist organisation who helped the Islamists overthrow the Shah of Iran. She was a Muslim and is now a communist and ironically, having fled Iran having been betrayed by the Islamists, she is fighting the installation of Sharia law in the UK, which many will say is great, only when they realise that she’s trying to impose communism and nihilism upon the people who gave her liberty and freedom from the Iranian Ayatollah.

    Like I said, all Islam has to do is simply continue as it is. There were practically zero Muslims in the UK pre 1970. There are now at least between 3-4 million living here now. London is the city in the world after Istanbul with the most Mosques and we’re supposed to be a Christian country? Tell me, is Istanbul the second country in the world with the most churches? Do you know that the building and restoration of Churches in Islamic lands is forbidden?

    The threat has always been Zionism and the west has been played in an out, up and down by Zionists as they control with their wealth. It was in fact Cromwell who invited back the Jews after they were evicted by King Edward 1st in 1290. He did so because he wanted them to bring in his wealth. This was when the planning of the destruction of the UK and the rebuilding of Zion began.
    However, Islam has continuously been at war with the West, since its creation in the 7th Century. The Ottoman Turks would have invaded Europe had it not been for the bravery of the King of Poland John III Sobieski and his coalition of German and Austrian forces who eventually pushed back the Muslims, out of Europe once and for all in 1683, where for centuries they’d controlled much of Europe, taking slaves back into their lands. This is where the word Slave originates from and has nothing to do whatsoever with the black, trans Atlantic slave trade. Ironically, it was the Clinton regime and the Blair government that gave Islam Kosovo, part of Serbia and a people who had for centuries been on the front line of Islamic invasion into the West. We turned our backs on them and Kosovo is now Europe’s first Islamic state. This is where it begins.

    Like I said, all you have to do is understand Islam to see where it’s going. The enemy are no longer at the gates, but growing within our city walls, far faster than any other demographic. White flight is huge in the cities of England and even more hypocritical is the very fact that the multicultural liberals, who are 100% behind this all, have packed their bags and left for the SW of England, leaving behind the multicultural hellholes they’ve created, for white Dorset, Devon and Cornwall, to raise their children in predominately white neighbourhoods and schools, sorry totally white neighbourhoods and schools.

    EU immigration is not really doing half as much damage as immigration from outside of the EU. The latest ethnic minority that will explode in the UK are the Somalians/Sudanese, Muslim and already going back to fight Jihad back home.

    You’re an exceptionally clever man Brian. I commend what you do, with CP, the Fabians and the Marxist Schools of Frankfurt, but you are totally oblivious to the threat that Islam poses not just to the UK but the world. The West is currently under serious attack from Communism, Fascism and Nazism and alas, its greatest threat is from Islam, whom I hasten to add, you are protecting and allowing to grow and grow within the UK, as you believe they are just like the followers of Christ, whose leader, more importantly was a good, wise and compassionate man, the West paints this picture of. Read the Qur’an and hadith and you’ll find that Ken Bigley was executed, along with Daniel Pearl and others gruesomely, because their executioners were merely following Islamic custom, as taught by Muhammad.

    Islam will dominate by mere birth and Britain will be an Islamic run state by 2060. I hope I’m wrong, but if I’m right which I’m 90% sure on, there will be no way to change the UK back to the way it was before. It will be another of the many dysfunctional lands within the Islamic ummah.

    By allowing Islam here and to grow as it is, we are arming our own executioners.

17. Chug says:

    January 25, 2010 at 8:23 pm - Reply

    Does UK Govt Employ Islamic Extremists?
    http://www.ashleymote.co.uk/?p=1727

18. theplebian says:

    January 25, 2010 at 9:07 pm - Reply

    Hello Marcus

    You do make some valid points and are obviously much more read on the subject than myself.I agree as i have said,that it would be foolish to underestimate the threat to British society posed by Islamic Fundamentalism just because it would seem obvious that friction is being deliberately created by the PTB in their crusade against this country,indeed all countries.I agree the game the state is playing in believing it can nurture,encourage and control the Islamists and use them and fear of them to impose their own agendas is at best naive.

    I ,although i do believe in God in some shape or form ,have always found most organized religions to have caused so much division,death and suffering in history.The clashes between Christianity and Islam being the prime but not only example.I dont believe these religons have any historic claim to being peaceful and find it especially ironic when certain so called “moderate” muslims nowdays claim Islam to be a “peaceful” religon even if they and many others of the Islamic faith are themselves.When was Islam peaceful?
    Unlike yourself i have not studied Islam to any extent and find that the Muslims i know and talk to are not in any way extreeme or a threat,having generally the same gripes with the changing system in Britain as i do.Having said that i was working aboard a ship in the Gulf a few years ago and in the recreation rooms there was always a copy of the Qu’ran (English translation)in a similar way you find copies of Bibles in hotels here(you used to anyway!)In our boredom we started playing a game;open up a page randomly read it and see if there is any incitement against anyone.I must have done it at least a dozen times myself and can safely say there was not one page i or any of my work collegues read that did not contain language of what can only be termed hatred or incitment to violence against some group or an other,be they Christians,Jews,Pagans,homosexuals.Obviously we never read it cover to cover and there may well be different versions as there are different Bibles but between us we opened up enough pages to get a general gist of it.
    The thing that struck me most of all was from my memories of the Bible when i was at school,retribution involving death generally appeared to be carried out by God or his Angels such as killing of the first born,drowning of pharohs army,sodom and gommorrah etc.I could be wrong in this as not being particularly religous i havent studied the Bible extensively.In the Qu’ran it would appear that it seeks to command/allow people to actively commit violence against anyone who is not a believer.That in my opinion is why Islamic extreemists who choose to live literally by the Qu’ran are a threat to any libertarian/western culture ,regardless of what the evil PTB are up to,if they are allowed to take hold and increase their numbers.
    However i do not believe most British Muslims are yet radicalised nor Muslims in many other countries with alot of these Radicals Islamists living in fear from what the authorities will do to them in countries like Algeria,Egypt,Syria etc.I agree the timebomb for places like the UK would be demographics plus the continuation of the pandering to the fundamentalists ,but i do believe the PTB are manipulating the agenda so as to provoke racial/ethnic unrest in order to have this as one of their options for an excuse for a clampdown and imposition of some sort of state of emergency.And i dont think it wise to play into their hands.

    The question is how do we approach this.As i have said there are many Muslims in this country that either are not particularly religous or practice their faith in a manner not at odds with being a British citizen.Many probably suffer intimidation from the unfortunately growing numbers of Islamists that the State allows to operate in the areas of high Muslim concentration.Surely Brian is right to engage them and show how they and indeed everyone else is being manipulated by the out of control and unaccountable elite.What other options,indeed is there another option available to us that is civilised [b]and does not turn us into extreemists.[/b]What would you suggest?

    Regards
    theplebian

19. BobBobson says:

    January 25, 2010 at 9:51 pm - Reply

    [quote='Marcus' pid='4206' dateline='1264290755']
    Bob, what were the Nazis before they were Nazis?
    [/quote]
    Most of those who supported the movement and considered themselves ‘part of it’ would have formerly been angry disenfranchised ‘peasants’, and then latterly, anyone at all living with the hugely powerful social current that the Nazi movement created. When you look at the Nazi elites however, you get a very different demographic. Nazism spawned out of anti-JudeoChristian Germanic occult societies that viewed man as being a part of nature as oppossed to existing seperate from it ‘created in God’s own image’. Some top ranking Nazi’s believed Hitler to be an incarnation of Woden, Himmler believed Aryan man to descend from the survivors of Atlantis, and he also had blueprints drawn up to establish SS temples upon the sites of ancient Saxon hillforts. The list could go on quite extensively, but the short of it is that as Winston Churchill accurately stated back in the 30’s. Nazism was a tide of barbaric dark paganism, set to engulf the whole of Europe.

    Whilst it was similar to Communism in that it was a totalitarian regime and had a similar way of maintaining the status quo and dealing with dissidents, at its head, it was a very different beast to the Communism that we saw in the former Soviet Union. Had the nazi’s won the war, the whole Judeo-Christian world view would be smashed in favour of a Nazi myth based loosely around ancient Germanic (dark) paganism. There would be no ‘Zionist bankers’ and the corrupt international monetary system would be brought under the Nazi jackboot. We would of course all ready be living in a prison planet, albeit a very different type of prison planet from the one that we are heading towards.

    For the record, I don’t believe that the EU is related in any way shape or from to the ideological Nazi’s of the early 20th century. However, I can think of a few people who do and they all tend to hail from a ‘certain’ era.

    [quote='Marcus' pid='4206' dateline='1264290755']
    Oh completely. Zionism has been orchestrating conflict in the West for centuries.
    [/quote]

    Now this prevailing tendency is one upon which we may actually have some common ground.

    [quote='theplebian' pid='4228' dateline='1264383597']

    Regards Snipped for brevity
    theplebian
    [/quote]

    From my point of view, there has been a lot of muddled up ‘emotion-fuelled’ thinking spewing into this thread. The examples of minds stuck in certain ‘Us V Them’ mind traps are plentiful. However, the post above by ‘theplebian’, more or less strikes a perfect rhthym with my own personal take on these matters.

    [quote='Briang' pid='4233' dateline='1264416639']
    Reply from Brian Gerrish

    Great to see so many replies to the article. Yours Bob is interesting. You state
    ” I enjoy much of Brian Gerrish’s materials but I wonder if he has ever considered how much his world view is tainted by the ‘irrational fear of Soviets/Communists’ paradigm that his head seems to be trapped in”. Where do you get “irrational fear” from? The Marxist ideology applied in various forms across the world has murdered and tortured millions of people – a collective conservative figure would be over 100 million with China and the Bolshevik Soviets as a starting point. This fact is neither irrational nor a paradigm. Your attack and words smack of a socialist attacking the person (mental state) not the evidence put forward. You also talk of a “cultural irrational fear of the Nazis”. Where is the irrational?, as again we know for a fact that actions by the Nazis resulted in the deaths of millions of people. We also know that the nazi brand of socialism is also based on Marx. I have focused on Marx for that reason. There is more …”Gerrish’s mind is still a victim of all the same kind of brainwashing and manipulations, albeit those that he was exposed to in his youth.’…..you give a classic socialist attack on the mind not the topic. At the end of the day, as I have warned, the Marxist revolution these people are creating will eat its young and all those too stupid to see it for what it is. Are you a professional disrupter Bob or trapped in the paradigm of believing the marxist ideology for One World Government does not exist? Keep posting as we need to get your views in the open. rgds Brian G[hr]

    [/quote]

    From having watched your videos, the fact that you seem to have taken me for some Common Purpose sponsored ‘debate distractor’ doesn’t surprise me.

    However, I respect what you are doing and find a lot of what you say very interesting. Furthermore, I am very much a believer in the idea of forces being at work intent on ultimately dominating the whole of humanity by establishing a One World government which ‘they’ would control. I see the consolidation of the EU into one giant political entity very much as part of this process. I see the antics of politically correct think-tanks that you are exposing such as ‘common purpose’ also very much as part of a deliberate attempt to deodourise and dronify the population into a such a state that it is in no state of mind or structure to resist the emerging EU super state when it appears in its full dictatorial glory.

    As you can see, I already agree with much of what you are saying and it wouldn’t be unfair not to state that the material that you have put out into the public domain has had notable influence on me when I am forming my opinions on such matters. Where we do digress however is on the ‘it’s a communist plot’ issue. Indeed with all due respect, the way that you tie in so much of these ‘deodourising’ forces with subversive Marxism is reminiscent of the right wing conspiracy theorists during the 50’s-80’s who would view practically any social force, movement, or individual who opposed the ‘Capitalist’ powers in any way shape or form, as being part of a Communist plot. I am too young to remember the anti-communist witch hunts which dogged America but I do realise the fear inducing impact that it had on the Western unconscious mind’s ‘irrational’ (seemingly rationally justified by millions of deaths or not) inbuilt fear of the Communists. With you serving in the military in the midst of the cold war, I would imagine that you would be much more exposed than most to the thought policing ‘Fear Monster’ of your day. Just as ‘they’ want us to reject any sense of national pride or valuation of cultural heritage, and fear terrorists today, back during the Cold War, ‘they’ wanted us to fear the Commies and suspect all socialist individuals/groups of representing a threat to our ‘freedoms’. The difference between then and now is that back then most people believed in the crap that our Ministries of Misinformation disseminated into the public domain.

    It’s an unavoidable aspect of human nature that our minds on many levels operate out of ‘paradigms’ the nature of which in turn are often affected by the emotional impact that the human being went through during a specific developmental phase. The same rule could indeed be applied to any intelligent Mammal. Take for instance a dog that has been mistreated by a great big fat ginger Irishman who then dies and plays no further part in the dogs life. There is every likliehood that in it’s future life, that dog may be very mistrusting of big fat ginger men. It may hide from them, growl at them, or even bite them. In the simplified example that I have described above, it has been made obvious that it is the dog’s irrational fear of big fat ginger men that is governing his attitudes towards other fat ginger blokes, and not a rational analysis of the ginger men’s characters. As already stated, the example of the dog with an inherent mistrust of ginger haired Irishmen, is merely a simplified schematic for a phenomena that effects the human mind, but with far more complex parameters being in play in the real world human psychology.

    It is not my wish to offend you, but like I have said, I feel a sizable portion of your attitude about the organisations and subversive forces that you discuss and write about, are being refracted by a ‘Red Fear’ complex, due to the nature of the political ‘fear’ that you were subjected to earlier in your life. Soviet-centric Marxist communism is a dead ideology and although many of the present day Chief Superintendents of Thought Police may adopt certain techniques and model aspects of their own plans and structures on those of Marx and the former Soviet empire, the geo-political battles of the modern day are not about Capitalism V Communism, Democracy V Totalitarianism, etc. For me, the place to start looking for who the real players in the modern arean are and thus what the real driving forces behind things today are, would be to look at the big money and power behind political Zionism. From what I can make out, it is the Zionists who have been the fundamental driving force behind the Cold War and the highly lucrative arms race that went with it; just as it is now known that the Bolshevik revolution could never have got off the ground (just where did all those peasants get the weaponry and supplies to form and operate their own army?) without considerable financial backing from Wall St. Furthermore, it has been very convincingly argued by British academic Antony Hutton, that Wall St was also greatly responsible for both funding Hitler, and continuing to profit from the Nazi war effort for the entire duration of WW2. And of course, it is the same elite Zionistic families who are behind the engineered War on Terror which will eventually lead us to WW3, despite the ever increasing numbers of people who are waking up from their propagandised comatose states.

    In summation, I find many aspects of your work excellent. But I do believe that ultimately you misidentify the nature of the Beast.

20. Marcus says:

    January 25, 2010 at 10:38 pm - Reply

    Hi theplebian,

    Islam is something I’ve read about and sadly, my divulging in it, my desire to find out all that I could about it, its history and why it was resulted in the break up of a relationship, so my studies although very informative certainly came at a price. Thank you for your reply, although I need to correct you on a few things that you have written about Islam, as you said you are not as versed on it as I. Do bear with me please.
    [quote='theplebian' pid='4247' dateline='1264453661']……threat to British society posed by Islamic Fundamentalism…..[/quote]
    This is what the west needs to stop saying. There is no Islamic FUNDAMENTALISM. Islam by definition, the Qur’an and the life, behaviour and teachings of Muhammad are fundamentalist. Islamic teachings are oppressive and exceptionally prejudice in all its definitions. Thus, who the west portrays as an Islamic fundamentalist, whom the Muslim community like to say has “hijacked” Islam and the teachings of Muhammad, is in fact a “true” Muslim, that is, someone who follows the teachings of Muhammad. Therefore, put it this way, if I was playing a game of Football with you picked up the ball and ran with it, I’d be breaking the rules and not playing football. This is what Muslims in the UK are doing. They know that their faith is an oppressive one, that seeks to dominate all. However, what would happen if they all started saying the same as the “fundamentalists” were? Wouldn’t the game, their ruse therefore be up as they’d eventually nailed their true colours to the mast for all to see? More on this later.
    [quote='theplebian' pid='4247' dateline='1264453661']The clashes between Christianity and Islam being the prime but not only example.I dont believe these religons have any historic claim to being peaceful[/quote]
    Again, another card, played by Muslims to absolve the crimes of Muhammad and their faith. I won’t disagree that what people did in the NAME of Christianity was abhorrent, but that was it “in the name of” Christ. Christ, whom Christians follow preached peace, tolerance, love for all. If you recall your scriptures, the Jews fell foul with Christ because he wanted all to be allowed to pray to God in the temples and not be cast out because of social standing and status. However the story is completely different in Islam. Muhammad didn’t just actively encourage his followers to wage bloody Jihad against the infidels, but took part in it himself. After the sacking of the Jewish caravans, one tribe alone he himself decapitated hundreds of young boys and men. He also cut off their heads the same way as Daniel Pearl and Ken Bigley were brutally slaughtered in Iraq. Thus the symbolism to why they did what they did, pointing them to face Mecca and butchering them they would a lamb, Halal meat style. In Muhammad’s reign, he was responsible for robbing, torturing, rape, slavery, murder (mass) and putting himself as a totalitarian warlord that must never be challenged…ever. Therefore violence in the name of Muhammad is not only justified but encouraged in the Qur’an. Christ however never once told his followers to kill, or oppress, or victimise any. This is the difference. Islamic teachings teach about killing the Kuffar (you and me) and taking the world for Islam peacefully or not. Sadly, many “Muslims” will of course disagree, but ironically a book was written a evidence to their crimes. It’s called the Qur’an and there for all to see.
    [quote='theplebian' pid='4247' dateline='1264453661']The thing that struck me most of all was from my memories of the Bible when i was at school,retribution involving death generally appeared to be carried out by God or his Angels such as killing of the first born,drowning of pharohs army,sodom and gommorrah etc.I could be wrong in this as not being particularly religous i havent studied the Bible extensively.[/quote]
    The Bible certainly contains many passages that depict violence, but that’s the Old testament, not the New testament, the book that the followers of Christ follow.
    [quote='theplebian' pid='4247' dateline='1264453661']In the Qu’ran it would appear that it seeks to command/allow people to actively commit violence against anyone who is not a believer.[/quote]
    Yup, that’s Islam for you and the sooner everyone in the west realises this the sooner we can combat the grave danger we face – know they enemy know thyself (Sun Tsu, Art of War)
    [quote='theplebian' pid='4247' dateline='1264453661']That in my opinion is why Islamic extreemists who choose to live literally by the Qu’ran are a threat to any libertarian/western culture ,regardless of what the evil PTB are up to,if they are allowed to take hold and increase their numbers.[/quote]
    Again, Islam by definition is extreme. Islamic extremists are merely Muslim, Muhammadans implementing the will and teachings of Muhammad. “Moderate Muslims” as they like to call themselves are merely people, not following the teachings of Muhammad and preaching Jihad, Sharia Law and Islamisation…although that will come, eventually when their numbers grow.
    [quote='theplebian' pid='4247' dateline='1264453661']However i do not believe most British Muslims are yet radicalised nor Muslims in many other countries with alot of these Radicals Islamists living in fear from what the authorities will do to them in countries like Algeria,Egypt,Syria etc.I agree the timebomb for places like the UK would be demographics plus the continuation of the pandering to the fundamentalists ,but i do believe the PTB are manipulating the agenda so as to provoke racial/ethnic unrest in order to have this as one of their options for an excuse for a clampdown and imposition of some sort of state of emergency.And i dont think it wise to play into their hands.[/quote]
    I have to disagree with you. The very fact they are being taught the Qur’an is detrimental to the continuation of the western way of life – liberty and freedom. Imagine if all children in the west were educated to follow Mein Kampf? Imagine if they were told to know the book inside out and pray to the God of Mein Kampf and worship Hitler as his prophet? What would that make our population?
    I’ve thought that Islam is being set up, truly I have. I also know as well that Iraq and Afghanitan were wars to set future staging posts for an attack on Iran and pretty much believe that 9/11 and 7/7 were staged, however, what I do know from reading about Islam is that up until the late 17th Century, Europe was very close to being conquered by Islam and that was from outside. We now have Muslims, their population growing at an exponential rate. If the government starts trying to clamp down on Islam then it has a problem. It would mean the immediate removal of Sharia Finance, from Saudi Arabia, not forgetting lucrative arms deals and luxury goods, which keep thousands of Brits in jobs. There is around 18billion invested in the Finance system with Sharia finance, known to be the foundation of Islamisation of any land. Again, Brian Gerrish believes that Islam is being set up for a big fall, I disagree entirely. The communists haven’t learned from the way they were treated by the Islamists in Iran post overthrow of the Shah. They think they can contain Islam, which would be ok, if it was small and had a low birthrate. However, it doesn’t, on the contrary the exact opposite.
    Turkey, Algeria, Egypt and Syria are all on their way to becoming Islamic states for the simple reason that the “Fundamentalists” as the west likes to call them are preaching the Qur’an and this they will eventually have to obey. Islam is growing. Moreso, it respects authority and will not attack those greater than itself. It used to respect the British very much, because of the Empire, however because we now are weak and live in a moral-less society, they see the UK for the taking and they will stop at nothing to attain it.
    [quote='theplebian' pid='4247' dateline='1264453661']The question is how do we approach this.As i have said there are many Muslims in this country that either are not particularly religous or practice their faith in a manner not at odds with being a British citizen.Many probably suffer intimidation from the unfortunately growing numbers of Islamists that the State allows to operate in the areas of high Muslim concentration.[/quote]
    These “Muslims” firstly are not Muslims. If they are not following the teachings of Muhammad/Allah – Islamisation, Jihad and Sharia Law (not around at the time of Muhammad but created from his teachings) they are not following the teachings of Muhammad and can therefore not call themselves Muslim. You either believe in Islam or you don’t. Those who question Muhammad and the Qur’an are regarded as infidels. It’s that simple.
    There is also the problem as well that there are many people who class themselves as Muslim who no longer want to be but are scared of leaving like you rightfully said and they must be offered protection, but then, when we have a society that’s just allowed Sharia Courts to operate in the UK as well as fund “Islamic fundamentalist” schools – see article in the Daily Telegraph http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/6427369/Islamists-who-want-to-destroy-the-state-get-100000-funding.html we have a problem.
    The last problem is “taqiyya.” You may not have heard of this but this is the use of deceit, sanctioned by Muhammad. It was first used to allow Muslims to murder a Jew who was causing problems for Muhammad and his followers told him that in order to get close to the Jew, they would have to bad mouth Islam and he. He granted this, they succeeded in gaining the trust of the Jew and then when his guard was down, they murdered him. This means that any Muslim living in an infidel country can lie about their belief and this is sanctioned, by Muhammad and Allah, as long as it is for the overall benefit of Islam. Thus, it means that we don’t know if the moderate Muslims are as “moderate” as they say they are. It means that they may agree 100% with everything that the Jihadists are planning, but obviously if they all came out and said so, it would be pretty obvious for all non Muslims to see just what the jackanory was with Islam wouldn’t it?
    [quote='theplebian' pid='4247' dateline='1264453661']Surely Brian is right to engage them and show how they and indeed everyone else is being manipulated by the out of control and unaccountable elite.[/quote]
    Disagree 100% with Brian, for the simple reason that Islam CANNOT be manipulated into anything other than following Islam more explicitly as people are doing. You cannot brainwash someone who’s already been brainwashed. Muslims would blow themselves up because many believe this would send them to paradise. Muslims will die for their religion, this however cannot be said for Christians. First and foremost because Christianity, the true teachings of Christ is tolerance and non violence. Throughout history the Christians were persecuted and butchered and never once did they retaliate. Tell me, when has this been the case with Muslims?
    The only thing that CP could do to Islam is to alienate the women from it and westernise them. This to me would be a good thing, as they’d be free to live their life how they wanted instead of be subjugated under Islam. If Brian thinks that CP are going to brainwash them he’s another thing coming. Like I said they’ve already been brainwashed by living, sleeping, eating and breathing the Qur’an ad hadith from a young age.
    [quote='theplebian' pid='4247' dateline='1264453661']What would you suggest?[/quote]
    Well, if you’re a peaceful man and you know that there’s a wolf that’s eating your sheep at night, you’d catch it and take it far away so that it doesn’t attack your sheep anymore but is free to live its life and live however it wants to in its own environment.
    If you’re not a peaceful man you wait up with your gun and shoot the wolf, thereby not allowing it to damage you sheep.
    I’m not a violent man, although I know that if I do nothing my sheep will disappear.
    There is of course a third option and that is to wait up every night and scare away the wolf, however, what happens when there are many wolves, too strong for you to overpower?

    This is what I suggest regarding Islam:

    1. Stop the building of all Mosques and Madrassas in the UK
    2. Remove at least 85% of them from around the country, at least 95% in London.
    3. Disperse Muslim ghettos that have sprung up all over the UK.
    4. Ban the wearing of the Burqa as it is a security risk as well as highly offensive. If I can’t walk into a bank with my motorbike helmet on then neither can a Muslim in a Burqa.
    5. Immediately end benefits for all immigrants and allow those who have worked and paid tax for 15 years to be allowed them, including NHS, education etc etc.
    6. By ending the benefit system for people and implementing point 5 for immigrants you would see a drastic drop in the number of people wanting to come and live in the UK.
    7. Close all Muslim faith schools. All schools would be taught British history and culture as their own. If they didn’t like this they can go to their ancestral lands and bring their children up under their history.
    8. Expel any Muslim who should preach Islamisation, Sharia Law or Jihad not born in the UK. Those in the UK who did this, would have all benefits cut and not be allowed to work. Thus they would either leave the UK or commit crime, at which case they’d be arrested and imprisoned. People who believe that the UK would be better under Islam need a reality check and maybe a stint in the slammer might waken them up. However I strongly suggest they move to an Islamic land where they can live by they ideals.
    9. I have to say that I’m a libertarian and would allow all people the freedom of speech, but then to contradict myself in point 8, I suppose I’d let the locals deal with the Islamists, however they feel fit. They’d sort of eventually feel like a Glasgow Celtic supporter in the Glasgow Rangers stand – very unwelcome and in the wrong place at the wrong time. I’d simply give liberty back to the people and let them deal with the Islamists. They’d soon get the message and not feel welcome.

    There are many more things I’d implement, but the overall feeling would be to make Islam feel completely and utterly unwelcome in the West. It’s completely incompatible with our way of life and should never have been allowed to grow here in the first place. Remember, Islam is not a race, but a cult/religion, political ideology and a culture, not forgetting a Nation also. It poses a serious threat to our freedom that if allowed to continue to grow will certainly destroy the West and every culture and ancestral culture within.

21. Revolution Harry says:

    January 25, 2010 at 10:53 pm - Reply

    I have to agree with Marcus in regards to Islam. It really is unlike any other religion even to the extent that it’s the only one that doesn’t follow the golden rule. All you have to do is compare the message of love and peace that came from Jesus with the war, murder, rape, intolerance, subjugation, paedophilia (it’s hard not to describe it as that) and dishonesty from Mohammed. Even if every single muslim were indeed peaceful they could not avoid changing our society in numerous ways that many of us have no desire to see.

    That said it’s clear that the PTB are manipulating muslims to a large degree. It seems obvious to me that should conflict in the Middle East break out then there will be similar conflict right here in the UK. Indeed that appears to be the plan. It’s for that reason we should commend Brian for attempting to avert this. It’s those that have bought this conflict about that we should both (Islam and the West) focus on.

    I live in hope that the New World Order agenda can be thwarted. When it is we will be able to deal with the wider immigration problem, including Islam, without the manipulations and brainwashing of the elites. If we can defeat the New World Order here in Britain that defeat would cause massive ripple around the globe. Factor in complete reform of the banking system and I suspect many immigrants would be only too happy to return to their (warmer) land of origin. Those that remain would, presumably, be the more anglophile amongst them.

    One other point. Alan Watt made the observation that the elites (bloodlines) have regularly moved their power centres. When they did they made sure that the previous centres were left in a position that meant they could never rise up and become a threat to the new one. It certainly seems as if the plan is to make Jerusalem (and possibly a re-born Babylon) the new centre of power. In that light it should be clear what the mass immigration agenda is all about. They won’t relent until we are minorities in all the major cities. It’s happening in my city and it breaks my heart.

    As for Birmingham it’s tragic to see what’s happening there. Freman, would you like to live in one of its numerous Islamic enclaves? Would you want to send your children or grandchildren to a majority muslim school?

22. lerustique says:

    January 26, 2010 at 1:07 am - Reply

    I do not believe that Soviet-centric Marxist communism is a dead ideology.

    “..it is the Zionists who have been the fundamental driving force behind the Cold War and the highly lucrative arms race that went with it; just as it is now known that the Bolshevik revolution could never have got off the ground (just where did all those peasants get the weaponry and supplies to form and operate their own army?) without considerable financial backing from Wall St. Furthermore, it has been very convincingly argued by British academic Antony Hutton, that Wall St was also greatly responsible for both funding Hitler, and continuing to profit from the Nazi war effort for the entire duration of WW2. And of course, it is the same elite Zionistic families who are behind the engineered War on Terror..)
    So Bob, if the bankers were behind the Russian revolution, and the Nazis, why shouldn’t we be afraid of Communism or Communitarianism -which is its latest form. Obviously they are behind this too – the EU is Communitarian, its law is Communitarian law.
    Many of us are deeply concerned about Sharia Law being introduced here, into the UK.
    Sharia Law will fit quite comfortably into EU Communitarian Law. Our precious individual rights are currently based in Common Law, the Bible and the teachings of Jesus Christ but we will soon lose them because the rights of the community will override the rights of the individual and the community will get priority every time.
    Are you aware Bob that a Chinese communist has been here in the UK since Blair’s election in 1997, & has advised the British Government on re-organising Local Government along Chinese Communist lines? Sounds incredibly far-fetched, doesn’t it? Is it a just conspiracy theory? NO! And it can be proved!
    http://www.communities.gov.uk/documents/communities/pdf/151402.pdf Take a look here. This is Henry Tam’s work entitled “Together We Can” Is his name on it anywhere? Perhaps you can find it? But if you Google search his name, this reference pops right up. Why wouldn’t New Labour want us to know this policy was devised by a Chinese Communitarian from Singapore? Why wouldn’t they want the British public to know that a Communitarian Chinese is behind the changes in local government policy across Britain? Tam devised “Together We Can” (and influenced Obama’s ‘Yes We Can’!) and it is full of Communitarian /New Age buzzwords such as:
    sustainability, community, empowerment, renewal, networks, leadership, diversity, inter-disciplinary, change, thought leadership, consensus, watershed, facilitate, etc.
    – these are all words and expressions Common Purpose uses too!
    – They are examples of the new language of our ruling Political Class!

    As you scroll down “Together We Can,” you will see many of the New Labour elite smirking away, looking important and taking the credit. What a sick bunch of traitors!
    Caroline Flint, David Miliband, Baroness Scotland, John Reid, Tony Blair,
    Ruth Kelly, Alan Johnson, Lord Falconer, Lord Sainsbury, Phil Woolas, etc.
    Communitarianism is the micro-management of everything. Communitarianism is Government by permit only – it fits in very nicely with all the digital technology, cameras and the surveillance increasingly around us, and is behind the hiving off of much of the work from Gov. Departments to secretive NGOs, Charities & Quangos.
    Niki Raapana has dedicated a large portion of her life to the exposure of the Communitarian Con Trick, http://www.newswithviews.com/Raapana/niki4.htmhr
    By the way, here is Tam on video recently,

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fyNGfPgZ9M introduction by Fung 32.34,
    Tam speaks 33.40. – 44.10. (use slider) and mentions his work “Together We Can.”

23. Marcus says:

    January 26, 2010 at 12:26 pm - Reply

    [quote='BobBobson' pid='4249' dateline='1264456270']
    Most of those who supported the movement and considered themselves ‘part of it’ would have formerly been angry disenfranchised ‘peasants’, and then latterly, anyone at all living with the hugely powerful social current that the Nazi movement created. When you look at the Nazi elites however, you get a very different demographic. Nazism spawned out of anti-JudeoChristian Germanic occult societies that viewed man as being a part of nature as oppossed to existing seperate from it ‘created in God’s own image’. Some top ranking Nazi’s believed Hitler to be an incarnation of Woden, Himmler believed Aryan man to descend from the survivors of Atlantis, and he also had blueprints drawn up to establish SS temples upon the sites of ancient Saxon hillforts. The list could go on quite extensively, but the short of it is that as Winston Churchill accurately stated back in the 30’s. Nazism was a tide of barbaric dark paganism, set to engulf the whole of Europe.

    Whilst it was similar to Communism in that it was a totalitarian regime and had a similar way of maintaining the status quo and dealing with dissidents, at its head, it was a very different beast to the Communism that we saw in the former Soviet Union. Had the nazi’s won the war, the whole Judeo-Christian world view would be smashed in favour of a Nazi myth based loosely around ancient Germanic (dark) paganism. There would be no ‘Zionist bankers’ and the corrupt international monetary system would be brought under the Nazi jackboot. We would of course all ready be living in a prison planet, albeit a very different type of prison planet from the one that we are heading towards.

    For the record, I don’t believe that the EU is related in any way shape or from to the ideological Nazi’s of the early 20th century. However, I can think of a few people who do and they all tend to hail from a ‘certain’ era.[/quote]

    Bob, I know all about the followers of the Nazis, why they became what they did, the heavy reparations to France and French oppression of the German people after WW1. I know of Hitler’s rise and all that but I say “What were the Nazis before” meaning they were supporters of Marx and Engels, more understandable when one considers they were both german also, along with scores of other philosophers as well.

    Sure, the Germans were pagan and? What’s so bad about that? There are people in the UK who are Christian and there are many pagan, who see things, regarding humanity, very much as Hitler did and other german pagans. Churchill being a staunch Christian would of course say “barbaric dark paganism” on a par with the witch hunts and burning of heretics and anyone who questioned the rule of the so “Christian” leaders and faith of the last millennium. So it depends what side of the fence you sit on. Are you a Christian or a Pagan (I know you are overwhelmingly Christian)? Both will have far opposing views to the rights of the others.
    Also regarding WW2 and in fact WW1, we had far more in common with the Germans, that we ever did the French. It always amazed me why we allied with the French, considering that they’ve been doing their best to destroy the UK for centuries and especially after seeing them now very much responsible for the creation of the EU and the hatred of de Gaulle of Britain, whom allied with the Germans after WW2, to destroy the UK, responsible for ending our lucrative trade agreements with the commonwealth. Moreso, the name of England, derives from Angle. Wessex, Sussex and Essex stand for respectively – West Saxon, South Saxon and East Saxon. English culture is based presominately on German culture, fused with Celt. Then look at the Normans, from Scandinavia, via Germany as the Norsemen were those who “men of the north that moved north.”

    I am playing Devil’s advocate here. You have gone into the pagan worshipping of Hitler, which ironically has caused far less death in this world than religion ever has. Of course the two main faiths that have been the cause of so much death are Christianity and Islam, although those who truly followed Christianity wouldn’t have said boo to a mouse.
    My reply to you was simply that the Germans, of the Nationalist Socialist party were on a par with communism and they very much agreed with them, however, they distanced themselves from them, when they realised that the people weren’t too happy with them and obviously needed their support.
    Fascism, Nazism and Communism are all constructs of the left, not the right. The reason that our media and people continually speak of the Nazis (National Socialists) as far right is because Stalin wanted to distance himself from them. He didn’t want to be compared to them, although there was much in common between the two. He didn’t want to be looked upon as sharing the left with the Nazis and so the Russians were responsible for promoting the Nazis as far right and it stuck, after successive years of brainwashing.

    And ironically, yes, had the Germans succeeded there would be no Zionist control, no Zionist controlled media, no Zionist control banking. IN fact there would be no Israel and there would be no manipulation of the West anymore. The immigration we currently see, flooding the UK and Europe would most certainly not be and we would all infact be living our own cultures. Hitler, as you recall did meet with Britain stating that they had history together and did not want to attack us. Now, one does not know what the outcome would have been had Britain stayed out of WW2, but safe to say, Zionism would not be around today and that’s a fact.
    Zionism has been responsible for the utter destruction of the West. The flooding of the west with cultures and 3rd world immigrants is merely part of their plan to destroy all other lands in order that they reign supreme in Zion. They are also winning very much so. They control America, the UK, in fact all of Europe and really that’s all they need. The Federal Reserve, predominately run by Zionists was responsible for the great depression of the 20’s, WW1, WW2, Vietnam, Iraq 1, Iraq2 and Afghanistan. It will of course be Iran next, making the push to take China and Russia by the end of the 21st century.

    I am by no means a supporter of Hitler, but merely pointing out that Britain had far more in common with the German people and culture than any other European one. The EU was created by a Frenchman (Jean Monnet) and if you know your history you will also know that Churchill was dead against the creation of it, that is, unless it was a European Union of Nation, Sovereign states. France has been destrimental in Britain’s demise. They were always jealous of our superiority, our Empire and why most of the world speaks English instead of French. They could never beat us in open war so instead created the EU to slyly obliterate us. There are many times I think it was a bad move going to the support of the French, especially after history and moreso, as our future unfolds. I also know that under Hitler, or should I say, we’d allied with him, there would be no mass immigration, minority rule, rampant man hating feminism and other such horrors we are currently facing.

    Many people reading this, will no doubt think that what I’m saying is terrible. I’m merely giving an alternative. We don’t know how the future would have been if we’d not supported France. We don’t know if Germany would have attacked the UK, but what we certainly can say for sure is that WW2 and out involvement in it destroyed the Empire and left us in huge debt to the American Federal Reserve. That bankrupted our country. We’d most probably still have our old colonies as well, just France wouldn’t be France anymore and I have to say, I wouldn’t really be shedding a tear over that. To also add as well, Communism would have been soundly defeated. The U.S.S.R would never have existed and China would not be Communist either, along with all the other Commuminist countries in this world. We would have laid Communism to rest once and for all.

    I look at things with an open mind, not a closed one as many do. WW2 destroyed the UK. It also brought about the emigration to the UK of the West Indians, whom I might add that they were very honourable and dignified people, brought up under British law, education and culture, whom were imposed on a people, never asked whether they should be allowed to co-habit their country with them. This inevitabley led to prejudice that could all have easily have been avoided. More so, unlike the West Indians of the 50’s through to the 70’s, those now living in the UK, especially London, have no love for the UK, but much hatred, especially when they learn of the past. Thus problems were created where problems need not have been. The West Indians came to help rebuild the UK after WW2. Had there been no WW2, our country would be a far different place, in fact the whole of Europe would have been and not the lands now flooded with 3rd world immigrants, who are not only creating problems, but facing a much growing prejudice.

    This is a possibility of what would have happened had Britain not been involved in WW2. There is of course the fact that many people will say that Germany would just have invaded and controlled Britain and its lands had we not got involved. That is also a distinct possibility. The point is that many different timelines would have been created in the UK pre entrance to WW2, depending on our decisions. There is the possibility that America would not have got involved in WW2, remained a staunch ally of the UK and in fact united possibly with Germany and the UK to attack Russia. We can certainly say for sure that Zionism would be dead and buried, a satanic Mesopotamian, Talmudic blood cult, never allowed to rise again.

    There are many possibilities of what would have happened. Would Europe have been ruled under a Nazi jackboot? Would the people not have rebelled and overthrown the Nazis? Who knows what the situation would have been, but I firmly do believe that the Marxist theorists of the School of Frankfurt wouldn’t have been able to implement their brainwashing and indoctrination of the West and the USA. There would have been no need to have flooded the UK with immigrants, as those who would have fought in the war and died, wouldn’t have, thus being part of the workforce again. More so, we would have owed America nothing whatsoever in loans for the War effort. And the American Federal reserve would very possibly no longer exist, along with all Zionist controlled operations.

24. BobBobson says:

    January 26, 2010 at 2:33 pm - Reply

    Hi Marcus.

    From reading your posts, I am suspecting that you around 55-60 years old, have spent a lot of time living in the Home Counties, but most probably ‘Kent’ (or any other region where rabid xenophobia is welded into the ‘Gegendgeist’ (spirit of the area)) and you are also a BNP man.

    I read and actually enjoyed your post above as I like alternative points of views on things. However, for your information, I am most certainly not a Christian. I view Christianity (and all other mainstream religions) as the biggest mind trap(s) out of them all. It seems strange to me that you get so many Christian conspiracy theorists who point to things such as the New World Order and the propheptic coming of the Anti-Christ etc, and then proclaim their faith in the Lord Jesus Christ and pray for his guidance etc. To me, that is like someone who is riding on a saddle upon the beasts back, pointing to the beasts head and saying;
    “argghh, look at him, look at where he is going, look at how he has seduced and fooled the world into playing along with his wicked ways”
    The Christian may well have a point, yet he is still riding upon the beasts back and due to this fact, the Christian (person riding upon the beasts back) cannot possibly see the whole of the creature for what it is. I know that like every other possible category of person, that Christians come in all kinds of forms, ranging from happy clappy tambourine bangers (who may like to bugger small boys from time to time) to raging right wing fundamentalist types (who may also like to bugger small boys from time to time), but regardless of the tone of the hymms, the people singing them are by definition victims of a mass mind enslavement program going back many dozens of generations, that has brought about nothing but repression of the human spirit, oppressive control structures, and wars. Even people who have suffered no direct Christian indoctrination still inherit the spiritual legacy of their forefathers and are born into a culture that has underwent the bastardisation process that Christianity has gradually wreaked across this continent, seperating man from the natural world, and from the true nature of himself. So contrary to your belief, the Nazi’s intentions of edging Christianity out of the scene in favour of a revised form of Germanic paganism is something that I do like the sound of. However Churchill was also correct in terming it as a dark barbaric pagan force and had the Nazi’s came out top in Europe, we would already be living in a totalitarian centrally controlled superstate where very few of its inhabitants would be capable of even defining what ‘freedom of thought’ was, never mind freedom of speech. However, the Nazi’s actually succeeding was something that was never going to be allowed to happen. While the Wall St Zionists were happy to fatten Hitler up and profit from his war machine, they were never going to allow him to grow so big that he could then turn around and cut their throats (which was the final outcome of every other treaty/agreement that Hitler entered into).

    In summation, I believe that the majority of Europeans are much happier and more free today, than they would be living under a Nazi controlled ‘Greater Germania’. My personal philiosphy is to resist the forces/movements that realistically seek to inhibit personal freedoms the most. Having said that, I would like to be clear that I view Islam as big a threat to us as I would view a hornets nest at the other side of the field over from where I live. So long as I don’t go poking it with a big stick, the Hornets will never develop any mindset to harm me. The problem however is that our governments and corporations have been prodding the hornets nest with a big stick with our names on it.

    Instead of indulging in your antiquated ‘Us V Them’ paradigms you should seek to free your mind from the emotional need/addiction to mistrust the French and/or hate Islam, as we are living in a very different world today to what we once where. Whilst there are still plenty people who rant and rave about various ideologies and religions, the modern world is increasingly governed by the principles of business and the upper echelons pulling the higher levers controlling populations, nations, and the currency that flows through them carry out their actions in increasing harmonisation to this new evangel of business interests. The real battle that lies ahead is between the rights and liberties of the individual and this ever increasing business merger harmonisation process, within which the truly independent individual has no place.

25. peacelovinman says:

    January 26, 2010 at 4:39 pm - Reply

    [quote='BobBobson' pid='4267' dateline='1264516437']
    The real battle that lies ahead is between the rights and liberties of the individual and this ever increasing business merger harmonisation process, within which the truly independent individual has no place.
    [/quote]

    I agree. The communitarians, using the Hegelian dialectic, continually pit both real and manufactured opposing ideologies against each other, the result being a gradual loss of individual liberty and resources being controlled by large monopoly interests.

26. Marcus says:

    January 26, 2010 at 6:34 pm - Reply

    [quote='BobBobson' pid='4267' dateline='1264516437']
    Hi Marcus.

    From reading your posts, I am suspecting that you around 55-60 years old, have spent a lot of time living in the Home Counties, but most probably ‘Kent’ (or any other region where rabid xenophobia is welded into the ‘Gegendgeist’ (spirit of the area)) and you are also a BNP man……..[/quote]

    Actually Bob, I’m 38, lived in London as a musician for 16 years, immersed myself in other people’s cultures, had children with women from one of Britain’s ethnic minorities, saw how London inevitably turned into a place of seething hatred for white people, by Blacks and Asians and watched in horror as people like Abu Hamza gave open air sermons, speaking of killing the kuffar and slicing our throats like cattle, while being protected from public anger and disgust by troops of police. I also saw Anjem Choudary march through the East End, preaching for Islamisation and the running of the UK under Sharia Law, of course protected by the police. I also saw St George day parades not allowed, Union Jacks and St George crosses told to be taken down because they were offensive to the minority as symbols of previous Empire oppression.
    I decided I’d had enough.

    Sadly, when I speak of culture I’m immediately met with the usual comments and retorts like yours. It’s only when I ask those attacking me for my disagreement in multiculturalism if they’ve ever immersed themselves in “alien” cultures, sat and eaten curried goat, aki and saltfish, lived amongst afro caribbeans and dated them for 16 years? Of course, they bow their heads, as they are completely ignorant on such matters, having lived predominately in their safe, overwhelmingly white, liberal, utopias, where Muhammad the newsagent is so awfully nice.

    I now live back in Scotland, thankfully nowhere near the multicultural hell hole that London’s turned into. And me a BNP supporter? Nope, never have, although I fully respect their being allowed to represent a large portion of the populous not represented by our current crop of politicians.
    I support the Scottish Libertarian Party for your information. I disagree with the BNP’s socialist policy. It’s not for me, although I’m behind them 100% on immigration, stopping the growth of Islam and Islamisation, removing troops from Afghanistan, being totally against the Iraq and Afghanistan wars etc etc.

    And Bob, I know about Islam. You don’t. I find that those who no nothing of what I speak about are my most ferocious opponents. That’s what I find sad.

    Knowledge is our only defense against tyranny – ignorance its ally.[hr]
    By the way Bob,

    Thought you’d be interested in the following link:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/bangladesh/7073191/Rape-victim-receives-101-lashes-for-becoming-pregnant.html

    A 20 year old was raped in Bangladesh. She became pregnant and was given 101 lashes for it after a decree by the elders of the village, of course following Sharia Law. The rapist was pardoned.

    This is what we have to look forward to in the UK in 50 years time. The largest percentage of Muslims living in the UK are of Pakistan/Bangladesh origin. Shoreditch, Brick Lane, Whitechapel are predominately Bangladesh neighbourhoods, notorious for Muslim gangs that don’t like white people “in their area.” I know, I was a victim of one of their attacks, as well as a victim of police incompetence who knew the attackers but never prosecuted in order to not upset the “ethnic minority” at the time of the Gulf War.

    So then Bob, when this comes into effect in the UK what will you think? Well, you’ll no doubt be dead by then, but how does it feel that your ignorance on Islam will allow the Islamisation of the UK?
    I hate to break it to you, but do you know why Pakistan and Bangladesh are the way they are? Well, it’s quite simple really – THEY’RE FULL OF PAKISTANIS AND BANGLADESHIS!

27. lerustique says:

    January 26, 2010 at 7:06 pm - Reply

    peacelovinman,
    don’t you agree that the “loss of individual liberty and resources ” is not so gradual now but actually gathering momentum and becoming quite fast!? I feel as though I am sitting on a runaway train!

28. Fremen says:

    January 26, 2010 at 7:12 pm - Reply

    [quote]Fremen, a couple of questions first if you may?

    1. Have you read the Qur’an and the Hadith?
    [/quote]

    The Koran is a good book; the Hadith is in many forms. Many read the Koran.
    Even the Hadith does not say attack people ect. But some fake websites say otherwise.

    [quote]2. Have you studied why all Muslims lands now, formerly not Muslim, are so?[/quote]

    That would have something to do with the Koran and the fake Hadith. And the PTB of yesteryear.

    [quote]3. Do you know that those born of Muslims are Muslims and are not allowed to leave Islam for fear of death?
    [/quote]

    Did you know that these countries that you just mentioned have many different religions and faiths. And have lived in relative peace. We have been the worst in the west and anwser 4 is as it’s always been through history.

    [quote]4. Do you know that Islam is the fastest growing religion and demographic in the world?[/quote]

    Did you know that atheism is the biggest religion. Particularly those pretending to be religious and the thousands of different religions are blind guides and/or pretending to be religious. But One.

    [quote]5. Do you know that the UK and Europe will be majority Muslim by 2050?
    [/quote]

    Then that must be by intention of the PTB if we/they the PTB follow Islam.

    [quote]6. Do you really think we should play this game of Russian Roulette wondering whether or not those Muslims in the West are going to be westernised or easternised to impose domination of our land under Islam?[/quote]

    It will not be under Islam but under the NWO. For a time or until the people return to the Law.

    [quote]people like Abu Hamza gave open air sermons, speaking of killing the kuffar and slicing our throats like cattle, while being protected from public anger and disgust by troops of police.[/quote]

    Why do you think they ( PTB) allowed this and encouraged him when the guy was putting out such a message.

29. mike says:

    January 26, 2010 at 7:37 pm - Reply

    [quote='Marcus' pid='4272' dateline='1264530879']
    A 20 year old was raped in Bangladesh. She became pregnant and was given 101 lashes for it after a decree by the elders of the village, of course following Sharia Law. The rapist was pardoned.
    [/quote]

    This is somewhat like a pot calling a kettle black!

    How many people are languishing in British prisons for defending their property? What about Maurice Kirk? What about the secret children’s courts? What about trial without jury?

    The judicial system in this country is not in such hot shape, and REGULARLY victimises the victim. We’re not in any position to criticise any other nation.

    What you are seeing in this country is the result of POLICY, specifically Clash of Civilisations policy, promoted and financed by the British government, and some NGOs and “charities”. You are falling into the trap, in my view.

30. mike says:

    January 26, 2010 at 7:39 pm - Reply

    [quote]5. Do you know that the UK and Europe will be majority Muslim by 2050?
    [/quote]

    They were saying the same of the Catholic population in Northern Ireland for the first 30 years of my life on a rolling “within 12 months” basis. Never happened. More Clash of Civilisations fear pushing propaganda.

31. BobBobson says:

    January 26, 2010 at 8:02 pm - Reply

    You are correct, where I live (time spent between Edinburgh and Perth) multiculturalism doesn’t exist.

    But it is comments like this:
    [quote='Briang' pid='4233' dateline='1264416639']
    A 20 year old was raped in Bangladesh. She became pregnant and was given 101 lashes for it after a decree by the elders of the village, of course following Sharia Law. The rapist was pardoned.

    This is what we have to look forward to in the UK in 50 years time.
    [/quote]

    That make me think you are a rabid ranting raver.

    [quote='Briang' pid='4233' dateline='1264416639']
    So then Bob, when this comes into effect in the UK what will you think? Well, you’ll no doubt be dead by then, but how does it feel that your ignorance on Islam will allow the Islamisation of the UK?
    [/quote]

    If you think that Islamic Sharia Law will ever come into effect in this country, then for whatever reasons, you are lacking the clarity of mind to look at the bigger picture and see what way the wind is blowing here. Fundamental Islam has just as much of a place in a deodourised dehumanised EU superstate as does British nationalism or any other form of highly specific and ‘awkward’ cultural expression or belief system.

    These ‘fundamentalists’ will be slowly clamped down upon. But not before ‘they’ have been used as an ‘emotive’ excuse to pass various legislation further cutting back on our personal freedoms. The same legislation will of course also impact ‘native extremists’ such as the BNP or even people like yourself who simply voice a potentially inflammatory opinion. Of course, militant Islam also has its uses in that it will provide a ready supply of gullible patsies to carry out further MI5 manipulated false flag ‘terrorists strike Britain’ operations.

    But an Islamic Britain in 50 years?

    Not a bloody chance m8!

32. Martin Edwards says:

    January 26, 2010 at 8:17 pm - Reply

    [quote='BobBobson' pid='4279' dateline='1264536130']

    But it is comments like this:
    [quote='Briang' pid='4233' dateline='1264416639']
    A 20 year old was raped in Bangladesh. She became pregnant and was given 101 lashes for it after a decree by the elders of the village, of course following Sharia Law. The rapist was pardoned.

    This is what we have to look forward to in the UK in 50 years time.
    [/quote]

    That make me think you are a rabid ranting raver.
    [/quote]

    Are you misquoting?
    [quote='BobBobson' pid='4279' dateline='1264536130']
    [quote='Briang' pid='4233' dateline='1264416639']
    So then Bob, when this comes into effect in the UK what will you think? Well, you’ll no doubt be dead by then, but how does it feel that your ignorance on Islam will allow the Islamisation of the UK?
    [/quote][/quote]

    Ah yes. I see that you are actually quoting the words of Marcus (Post 27 this thread) but assigning them to BrianG.

    Are you being deliberately provocative?

33. Briang says:

    January 26, 2010 at 9:33 pm - Reply

    [quote='BobBobson' pid='4249' dateline='1264456270']
    [quote='Marcus' pid='4206' dateline='1264290755']
    Bob, what were the Nazis before they were Nazis?
    [/quote]
    Most of those who supported the movement and considered themselves ‘part of it’ would have formerly been angry disenfranchised ‘peasants’, and then latterly, anyone at all living with the hugely powerful social current that the Nazi movement created. When you look at the Nazi elites however, you get a very different demographic. Nazism spawned out of anti-JudeoChristian Germanic occult societies that viewed man as being a part of nature as oppossed to existing seperate from it ‘created in God’s own image’. Some top ranking Nazi’s believed Hitler to be an incarnation of Woden, Himmler believed Aryan man to descend from the survivors of Atlantis, and he also had blueprints drawn up to establish SS temples upon the sites of ancient Saxon hillforts. The list could go on quite extensively, but the short of it is that as Winston Churchill accurately stated back in the 30’s. Nazism was a tide of barbaric dark paganism, set to engulf the whole of Europe.

    Whilst it was similar to Communism in that it was a totalitarian regime and had a similar way of maintaining the status quo and dealing with dissidents, at its head, it was a very different beast to the Communism that we saw in the former Soviet Union. Had the nazi’s won the war, the whole Judeo-Christian world view would be smashed in favour of a Nazi myth based loosely around ancient Germanic (dark) paganism. There would be no ‘Zionist bankers’ and the corrupt international monetary system would be brought under the Nazi jackboot. We would of course all ready be living in a prison planet, albeit a very different type of prison planet from the one that we are heading towards.

    For the record, I don’t believe that the EU is related in any way shape or from to the ideological Nazi’s of the early 20th century. However, I can think of a few people who do and they all tend to hail from a ‘certain’ era.

    [quote='Marcus' pid='4206' dateline='1264290755']
    Oh completely. Zionism has been orchestrating conflict in the West for centuries.
    [/quote]

    Now this prevailing tendency is one upon which we may actually have some common ground.

    [quote='theplebian' pid='4228' dateline='1264383597']

    Regards Snipped for brevity
    theplebian
    [/quote]

    From my point of view, there has been a lot of muddled up ‘emotion-fuelled’ thinking spewing into this thread. The examples of minds stuck in certain ‘Us V Them’ mind traps are plentiful. However, the post above by ‘theplebian’, more or less strikes a perfect rhthym with my own personal take on these matters.

    [quote='Briang' pid='4233' dateline='1264416639']
    Reply from Brian Gerrish

    Great to see so many replies to the article. Yours Bob is interesting. You state
    ” I enjoy much of Brian Gerrish’s materials but I wonder if he has ever considered how much his world view is tainted by the ‘irrational fear of Soviets/Communists’ paradigm that his head seems to be trapped in”. Where do you get “irrational fear” from? The Marxist ideology applied in various forms across the world has murdered and tortured millions of people – a collective conservative figure would be over 100 million with China and the Bolshevik Soviets as a starting point. This fact is neither irrational nor a paradigm. Your attack and words smack of a socialist attacking the person (mental state) not the evidence put forward. You also talk of a “cultural irrational fear of the Nazis”. Where is the irrational?, as again we know for a fact that actions by the Nazis resulted in the deaths of millions of people. We also know that the nazi brand of socialism is also based on Marx. I have focused on Marx for that reason. There is more …”Gerrish’s mind is still a victim of all the same kind of brainwashing and manipulations, albeit those that he was exposed to in his youth.’…..you give a classic socialist attack on the mind not the topic. At the end of the day, as I have warned, the Marxist revolution these people are creating will eat its young and all those too stupid to see it for what it is. Are you a professional disrupter Bob or trapped in the paradigm of believing the marxist ideology for One World Government does not exist? Keep posting as we need to get your views in the open. rgds Brian G[hr]

    [/quote]

    From having watched your videos, the fact that you seem to have taken me for some Common Purpose sponsored ‘debate distractor’ doesn’t surprise me.

    However, I respect what you are doing and find a lot of what you say very interesting. Furthermore, I am very much a believer in the idea of forces being at work intent on ultimately dominating the whole of humanity by establishing a One World government which ‘they’ would control. I see the consolidation of the EU into one giant political entity very much as part of this process. I see the antics of politically correct think-tanks that you are exposing such as ‘common purpose’ also very much as part of a deliberate attempt to deodourise and dronify the population into a such a state that it is in no state of mind or structure to resist the emerging EU super state when it appears in its full dictatorial glory.

    As you can see, I already agree with much of what you are saying and it wouldn’t be unfair not to state that the material that you have put out into the public domain has had notable influence on me when I am forming my opinions on such matters. Where we do digress however is on the ‘it’s a communist plot’ issue. Indeed with all due respect, the way that you tie in so much of these ‘deodourising’ forces with subversive Marxism is reminiscent of the right wing conspiracy theorists during the 50’s-80’s who would view practically any social force, movement, or individual who opposed the ‘Capitalist’ powers in any way shape or form, as being part of a Communist plot. I am too young to remember the anti-communist witch hunts which dogged America but I do realise the fear inducing impact that it had on the Western unconscious mind’s ‘irrational’ (seemingly rationally justified by millions of deaths or not) inbuilt fear of the Communists. With you serving in the military in the midst of the cold war, I would imagine that you would be much more exposed than most to the thought policing ‘Fear Monster’ of your day. Just as ‘they’ want us to reject any sense of national pride or valuation of cultural heritage, and fear terrorists today, back during the Cold War, ‘they’ wanted us to fear the Commies and suspect all socialist individuals/groups of representing a threat to our ‘freedoms’. The difference between then and now is that back then most people believed in the crap that our Ministries of Misinformation disseminated into the public domain.

    It’s an unavoidable aspect of human nature that our minds on many levels operate out of ‘paradigms’ the nature of which in turn are often affected by the emotional impact that the human being went through during a specific developmental phase. The same rule could indeed be applied to any intelligent Mammal. Take for instance a dog that has been mistreated by a great big fat ginger Irishman who then dies and plays no further part in the dogs life. There is every likliehood that in it’s future life, that dog may be very mistrusting of big fat ginger men. It may hide from them, growl at them, or even bite them. In the simplified example that I have described above, it has been made obvious that it is the dog’s irrational fear of big fat ginger men that is governing his attitudes towards other fat ginger blokes, and not a rational analysis of the ginger men’s characters. As already stated, the example of the dog with an inherent mistrust of ginger haired Irishmen, is merely a simplified schematic for a phenomena that effects the human mind, but with far more complex parameters being in play in the real world human psychology.

    It is not my wish to offend you, but like I have said, I feel a sizable portion of your attitude about the organisations and subversive forces that you discuss and write about, are being refracted by a ‘Red Fear’ complex, due to the nature of the political ‘fear’ that you were subjected to earlier in your life. Soviet-centric Marxist communism is a dead ideology and although many of the present day Chief Superintendents of Thought Police may adopt certain techniques and model aspects of their own plans and structures on those of Marx and the former Soviet empire, the geo-political battles of the modern day are not about Capitalism V Communism, Democracy V Totalitarianism, etc. For me, the place to start looking for who the real players in the modern arean are and thus what the real driving forces behind things today are, would be to look at the big money and power behind political Zionism. From what I can make out, it is the Zionists who have been the fundamental driving force behind the Cold War and the highly lucrative arms race that went with it; just as it is now known that the Bolshevik revolution could never have got off the ground (just where did all those peasants get the weaponry and supplies to form and operate their own army?) without considerable financial backing from Wall St. Furthermore, it has been very convincingly argued by British academic Antony Hutton, that Wall St was also greatly responsible for both funding Hitler, and continuing to profit from the Nazi war effort for the entire duration of WW2. And of course, it is the same elite Zionistic families who are behind the engineered War on Terror which will eventually lead us to WW3, despite the ever increasing numbers of people who are waking up from their propagandised comatose states.

    In summation, I find many aspects of your work excellent. But I do believe that ultimately you misidentify the nature of the Beast.
    [/quote]
    By Brian G

    Bob so many words. So much analysis not of what is happening but of me. How simple do I need to make it. We are being attacked and destroyed bit by bit day by day. We can pontificate who made the ‘guns’, ‘who did the training’, ‘who made the uniforms’, ‘what the tactics might be” until the cows come home. It will do no good. We have to make a judgement as to the enemy we are in contact with and then act on it. I am out there waking people up and showing them where the enemy is and how to fight it. To that end I give people something that they can focus on and understand. Much of the beast is marxist in mentality. Of course there is more behind that…but if I say to people we are being attacked by tanks and they say…what is a tank? …..it is pointless trying to explain the finer points of a T 72 over a Challenger. First they need to understand that a tank is an armoured vehicle that has guns and can kill them. I use military language here because we should never forget that the ‘enemy’ is trying to kill us and is doing so. Your psychoanalysis of ‘ginger tom cats’ is great for a classroom discussion, smacks of a political student and is no use on the battlefield. rgds Bg[hr]
    [quote='Novauk' pid='4237' dateline='1264434948']
    I dont think Britain will ever recover now from what these people have done in recent years , you can call them Fascists/Communists or whatever you like but the main goal always was to bring the whole world under one system run by a small group of corporate banking elite , who will dictate to us everything we can and cant do , political correctness is just the beginners guide to free speech censorship they make it sound reasonable at first and that its just to stop racism or hate speech but that was just a way to get people used to being told what they can and cant say , it will ultimately end up as all criticism of the Government being illegal , that always was the main goal of it to end free speech in the west , and to define the relationship between master and slave , our whole system has been turned on its head from them supposedly serving the people to us now being dictated to and being told what to think , say , and how to behave , this is dangerous as history shows every time large amounts of power is transferred into the hands of the few it has been a disaster for the people and now we have the real prospect of a unelected world government run by these ruthless banking families , who have been horribly manipulating this world for centuries.

    I’m not a religious man , but god help us is all ill say !
    [/quote]

    By Brian G

    Personally I believe God is helping us. And that is a key reason why the ‘marxist’ mentality wants to deny all spiritual reasoning and true faith. Devoid of the spiritual we are the ‘goyim’ or cattle. Lost in the relativism of the humanist one world order. All we have to do is stand up and be counted as individuals …the numbers build themselves. Come on, get out there and challenge them. In reality they are terrified of us and exposure. Peaceful Lawful Rebellion is the key. Bg

34. Revolution Harry says:

    January 26, 2010 at 11:38 pm - Reply

    “The Koran is a good book; the Hadith is in many forms. Many read the Koran. Even the Hadith does not say attack people ect. But some fake websites say otherwise.”

    Freman, with the greatest respect this is completely incorrect. We could, of course debate the history and relative merits of Islam until the cows come home but I suspect that would make little difference. Just in case however can I suggest[url=http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Quran-Hate.htm] this article[/url] followed by [url=http://www.politicalislam.com/blog/statistics-and-the-meaning-of-islam/]this one[/url].

    “We have been the worst in the west and anwser 4 is as it’s always been through history.”

    Again, highly debatable. I would also add that any war and violence coming out of ‘the West’ has been in spite of Jesus’ teachings not because of them in stark contrast to the teachings of Mohammed.

    “For a time or until the people return to the Law.”

    Does that include Koran following Muslims? I’d be interested in how your version of ‘the Law’ squares with Sharia.

    It should be more than obvious that this is extremely difficult territory that has to be traversed with great care. It seems foolish to me that, even when recognising that Islam is not the major enemy we face, we don’t recognise the essential nature of Islam. Yes it’s being manipulated but only because its essence allows itself to be.

    There can be no denying that the PTB are attempting to destroy the English (British) as a nation and a race. Those more sensitive to this are derided as racists, fascists or worse. It seems there are others, such as Freman and Mike, who are happy with developments. That, indeed, is their right. But so too do those who have no wish to become submerged in any sort of ‘multicultural society’ have rights. An accommodation must be reached because it will do no good trying to ignore this situation. This is one area that many people feel very strongly about and as such has the greatest potential for serious division.

35. mike says:

    January 26, 2010 at 11:56 pm - Reply

    [quote='Revolution Harry' pid='4285' dateline='1264549085']
    There can be no denying that the PTB are attempting to destroy the English (British) as a nation and a race … It seems there are others, such as Freman and Mike, who are happy with developments.
    [/quote]

    You dare to use my name and Fremen’s in the same sentence!!?

    If I was happy with developments, I wouldn’t be doing this. I’d be still living in the south of France enjoying the sunshine. No, I’m not happy with developments. I’d just rather focus on the so-called “powers that be”. Anything else is a diversion and a distraction.

    And a trap.

36. BobBobson says:

    January 26, 2010 at 11:56 pm - Reply

    [quote='Martin Edwards' pid='4280' dateline='1264537044']

    Ah yes. I see that you are actually quoting the words of Marcus (Post 27 this thread) but assigning them to BrianG.

    Are you being deliberately provocative?
    [/quote]

    I have absolutely no bloody idea how that happened!?

    Yes, I was responding to Marcus and yes, it was his messages that I quoted and snipped.
    [quote='Briang' pid='4281' dateline='1264541598']
    Bob so many words. So much analysis not of what is happening but of me. How simple do I need to make it. We are being attacked and destroyed bit by bit day by day. We can pontificate who made the ‘guns’, ‘who did the training’, ‘who made the uniforms’, ‘what the tactics might be” until the cows come home. It will do no good. We have to make a judgement as to the enemy we are in contact with and then act on it. I am out there waking people up and showing them where the enemy is and how to fight it. To that end I give people something that they can focus on and understand. Much of the beast is marxist in mentality. Of course there is more behind that…but if I say to people we are being attacked by tanks and they say…what is a tank? …..it is pointless trying to explain the finer points of a T 72 over a Challenger. First they need to understand that a tank is an armoured vehicle that has guns and can kill them. I use military language here because we should never forget that the ‘enemy’ is trying to kill us and is doing so. Your psychoanalysis of ‘ginger tom cats’ is great for a classroom discussion, smacks of a political student and is no use on the battlefield. rgds Bg[hr]
    [/quote]

    Fair do’s.

    Although I don’t share your own personal point of reference on these matters, I do like what you do and do believe that you more or less barking up the right tree, both in terms of in the ways that ‘we are being attacked’ and what the correct type of response should be. It is good that you are ploughing your time and resources into putting out the material that you do and hopefully the effect can begin to snowball over time.

    I know from having watched your videos that you are religious man and depending on how much of my other posts you have read (of those quoted above) you may or may not know my own personal feelings towards all organised religion. You may say that ‘God will help us’, I see things more in terms of a cosmically/astrolgoically ordained spiritual revolution being on the cards. More and more people are starting to ‘wake up’ both in terms of seeing past the propaganda that we have unquestionaly swallowed for years, and in terms of starting to develop a realisation of the wider reality in which we exist. If the powers that be simply adopted a policy of just letting things run themselves for 25 years, humanity would simply throw off their shackles and the elite classes would lose all their power and privilege. It is this emerging organic spirit for ‘freedom’ that is entering into the human consciousness in ever-increasing waves, that ‘they’ must defeat and imprison……or face losing their immense power and ludicrous wealth. You say it’s the Communists, i say that it is the Zionists, followed by the same old blue blooded families who can trace their genealogy back to Egypt, Babylon, Abraham etc. Of course, the reality is that we are probably both wrong!

37. Revolution Harry says:

    January 27, 2010 at 12:26 am - Reply

    [quote='BobBobson' pid='4287' dateline='1264550178']
    You say it’s the Communists, i say that it is the Zionists, followed by the same old blue blooded families who can trace their genealogy back to Egypt, Babylon, Abraham etc. Of course, the reality is that we are probably both wrong!
    [/quote]

    You’re both (almost certainly) right. Communism and Zionism both spring from the same well, as do the bloodline families.[hr]
    [quote='mike' pid='4278' dateline='1264534797']
    [quote]5. Do you know that the UK and Europe will be majority Muslim by 2050?
    [/quote]

    They were saying the same of the Catholic population in Northern Ireland for the first 30 years of my life on a rolling “within 12 months” basis. Never happened. More Clash of Civilisations fear pushing propaganda.
    [/quote]

    Well it seems as if Birmingham will be majority Muslim by that time and that alone is cause for concern for me. According to [url=http://bnp.org.uk/2010/01/white-british-kids-ethnically-cleansed-from-birmingham-primary-schools/]the BNP website[/url] (no I’m not a supporter, I’m well aware of their role in ‘the game’) Birmingham City council have released figures showing that ‘white British’ make up a mere 39% of the city’s under 7’s in education whilst those of an ‘Asian’ background make up 40%.

    I see you replied to my comment below. I shall do the same to yours tomorrow. I know we’re on the same side but this issue is more than just a distraction. It’s an essential element of the PTB’s strategy which is why it needs addressing.

    Apologies for linking you with Freman

38. Stephen Gash says:

    January 27, 2010 at 12:47 am - Reply

    It’s worse than you think. The superstate EUrabia officially got underway this month. It will eventually incude Saudi Arabia and the legal system will be sharia.

    Official websites http://ec.europa.eu/external_relations/euromed/index_en.htm

    ENPI programming http://www.enpi-programming.eu/wcm/index.php

    Actors (that’s what they’re called) involved http://www.enpi-programming.eu/wcm/en/programming-process/actors-involved.html

    It appointed its new Secretary General who wil take up his post in February, a Jordanian.[hr]

    Here is information about its fledgling police force
    http://www.consilium.europa.eu/uedocs/cms_data/docs/pressdata/en/esdp/112084.pdf

39. Martin Edwards says:

    January 27, 2010 at 2:12 am - Reply

    [quote='Marcus' pid='4239' dateline='1264440223']
    If Islamisation happens and it will unless Islamic growth is greatly reduced then you can kiss goodbye to any political ideology bar Islam and Sharia. Our ancestry, culture and traditions will disappear, never, ever, ever to resurface as the children will be indoctrinated with Islamic text from the Qur’an. We are looking at the total obliteration of western culture and civilisation and this land will turn into another Pakistan/Iran.
    [/quote]

    Let’s consider some plain facts shall we.

    1) It was the PTB who decided to lower our border controls whilst at the same time engaging in ‘shock and awe’ tactics in Iraq.

    2) During this time the PTB have admitted that they have no idea of the number of people who have entered this country illegally.

    3) The raft of anti-terrorism legislation is being used more against law abiding citizens (photographers and those taking part in peaceful lawful assemblies) than being used against minority groups who preach racial hatred against the British

    All of the above are in full public view.

    In contrast the following have taken place largely by stealth:

    4) The hollowing out of our state institutions and the ‘parachuting in’ of placemen. Examples discovered in Local Government, the Heath Service, Civil Service and various Government Departments.

    5) The introduction of alien institutions in the absence of a mandate from the British People. For example, unelected Regional Assemblies were introduced nationally in defiance of the negative public referendum in the North of England.

    6) The indoctrination of our school children in concepts such as interdependence in the global world, world citizenship & man made global warming. With a little digging we discover the influence of the Common Purpose “Your Turn” projects and the Council for Education in World Citizenship. How many people know that Government launched the Children’s Parliament on the Environment? Or have heard of the Charities Parliament?

    7) The destruction of democratic process which has been replaced with stakeholder consultation and focus groups. In this way fake charities and unelected and unaccountable quangos falsely claim to represent public opinion as being in favour of a predetermined political agenda.

    The subversion of our political establishment which means that even if the electorate change the colour of the political party in Government the outcome is the same. The horses might be changed but the state carriage continues travelling in exactly the same direction as before.

    My conclusion is that the perception of the Islamification of the United Kingdom has been deliberately fostered. It increases tensions, creates suspicion and division and provides a useful springboard for the further erosion of our liberties and freedoms. It is a justification for greater control mechanisms such as ID cards, more CCTV cameras etc.

    Whilst the majority have been suitably distracted it’s been business as usual with the dismantling of our Constitutional safeguards and our common law justice system. How many people now realise that for many offences you are now presumed guilty and are required to prove your own innocence? That the punishment for environmental crimes is now greater than those for crimes against the person?

    To try to pin blame for our current predicament on one Political or religious ideology is most unwise in my view. Your true enemy is disguised as a poisonous broth. Removal of one or two ingredients will not reduce its potency.

    Those whom we elect to power in Government also carry the burden of duties and responsibilities. Their duty is to protect this Nation & its inhabitants so that we may go about our lawful business and our daily lives unhindered. Not only have they neglected their duties and responsibilities they have aided and assisted others who micro-manage our daily lives and expose us to external threats

    Islamification is a symptom of the failing health and lowering of the natural defences of the United Kingdom. You don’t need to look very far to identify those who continue to administer the poison.

40. lerustique says:

    January 27, 2010 at 10:17 am - Reply

    Since there is much talk here of Islam, here is a link which should interest you:

    Leadership in Perspective
    http://theleadership.wordpress.com

    It talks of leadership principles in the light of Islam.

41. Marcus says:

    January 27, 2010 at 1:17 pm - Reply

    [quote='Martin Edwards' pid='4291' dateline='1264558324']
    [quote='Marcus' pid='4239' dateline='1264440223']
    If Islamisation happens and it will unless Islamic growth is greatly reduced then you can kiss goodbye to any political ideology bar Islam and Sharia. Our ancestry, culture and traditions will disappear, never, ever, ever to resurface as the children will be indoctrinated with Islamic text from the Qur’an. We are looking at the total obliteration of western culture and civilisation and this land will turn into another Pakistan/Iran.
    [/quote]

    Let’s consider some plain facts shall we.

    1) It was the PTB who decided to lower our border controls whilst at the same time engaging in ‘shock and awe’ tactics in Iraq.

    2) During this time the PTB have admitted that they have no idea of the number of people who have entered this country illegally.

    3) The raft of anti-terrorism legislation is being used more against law abiding citizens (photographers and those taking part in peaceful lawful assemblies) than being used against minority groups who preach racial hatred against the British

    All of the above are in full public view.

    In contrast the following have taken place largely by stealth:

    4) The hollowing out of our state institutions and the ‘parachuting in’ of placemen. Examples discovered in Local Government, the Heath Service, Civil Service and various Government Departments.

    5) The introduction of alien institutions in the absence of a mandate from the British People. For example, unelected Regional Assemblies were introduced nationally in defiance of the negative public referendum in the North of England.

    6) The indoctrination of our school children in concepts such as interdependence in the global world, world citizenship & man made global warming. With a little digging we discover the influence of the Common Purpose “Your Turn” projects and the Council for Education in World Citizenship. How many people know that Government launched the Children’s Parliament on the Environment? Or have heard of the Charities Parliament?

    7) The destruction of democratic process which has been replaced with stakeholder consultation and focus groups. In this way fake charities and unelected and unaccountable quangos falsely claim to represent public opinion as being in favour of a predetermined political agenda.

    The subversion of our political establishment which means that even if the electorate change the colour of the political party in Government the outcome is the same. The horses might be changed but the state carriage continues travelling in exactly the same direction as before.

    My conclusion is that the perception of the Islamification of the United Kingdom has been deliberately fostered. It increases tensions, creates suspicion and division and provides a useful springboard for the further erosion of our liberties and freedoms. It is a justification for greater control mechanisms such as ID cards, more CCTV cameras etc.

    Whilst the majority have been suitably distracted it’s been business as usual with the dismantling of our Constitutional safeguards and our common law justice system. How many people now realise that for many offences you are now presumed guilty and are required to prove your own innocence? That the punishment for environmental crimes is now greater than those for crimes against the person?

    To try to pin blame for our current predicament on one Political or religious ideology is most unwise in my view. Your true enemy is disguised as a poisonous broth. Removal of one or two ingredients will not reduce its potency.

    Those whom we elect to power in Government also carry the burden of duties and responsibilities. Their duty is to protect this Nation & its inhabitants so that we may go about our lawful business and our daily lives unhindered. Not only have they neglected their duties and responsibilities they have aided and assisted others who micro-manage our daily lives and expose us to external threats

    Islamification is a symptom of the failing health and lowering of the natural defences of the United Kingdom. You don’t need to look very far to identify those who continue to administer the poison.
    [/quote]

    Every point above is noted, considered and very much understood. In fact in my education of Islam, understanding its history, barbarity and Isamisation of many lands, what I find totally and utterly bewildering about this whole affair was; if we know what Islam is, is capable of and has done, why on earth are they being allowed 100% freedom to enter and colonise the west for Islam?
    It was because I asked myself these questions that I then became far more aware of Zionism, finance, NWO etc etc.
    I have asked more than enough questions about the whole situation Martin. I know only too well that those in charge, in Europe have deliberately flooded the UK with alien cultures in order to dissolve ours. I know, as I’ve written in previous articles all over the web that in order for one nation to fully succumb to another nation’s control, its history, love for that history and culture has to be hated. Thus the indoctrination from the 60’s onwards was all about turning our ancestors deeds into muck and distancing ourselves away from our roots. When a nation starts hating itself, calling anyone who attempts to discuss immigration racists, anyone who attempts to discuss the holocaust anti semites, I know that the UK’s pretty much finished.

    The point I’m making is very much all what you’re saying (creating more terrorist laws with which to control) but in your ignorance of Islam and I say that not to attack but merely to state that you are oblivious to Islam and its capabilities, you fail to see that the PTB/NWO, has brought in “wolves to remove the sheep” only one day the wolves will be far too powerful for them to control, not just in the UK, but the whole of Europe and the USA.

    Have you even considered the prospect that the non Muslims average birthrate in the UK/West is around 1.5? Do you know that the average birthrate of Muslim families is around 5? Do the maths? If you take 1 Muslim family and 4 non Muslim families, within 2 generations the Muslim family will have created 5 children and 25 grandchildren and the non Muslim will have created 6 children and 9 grandchildren on the current statistics.

    What I’m saying to you and everyone else here is ISLAM DOES NOT CHANGE. Islam can’t change like Christianity did in the reformation, because it strayed far, far away from original teachings. Islam can’t be reformed because in reforming Islam into a peaceful religion, it would mean destroying almost all of the life and teachings of the founder of Islam. Thus what you are doing is destroying Islam and creating and altogether new religion that simply cannot be called Islam.
    The teachings of Muhammad, the life of Muhammad are steeped in violence, oppression, war, bloodshed and totalitarianism. In fact, his life and what he promoted was Nazism, Communism and Fascism all wrapped up into one.

    You just miss the simple point that by demographics alone the UK and Europe will be predominately Muslim. If you have any doubt on that then the allowing of Turkey in the EU will concrete my statement.

    Muslims are fanatical because Islam is a fanatical ideology. It is not just a religion, but a way of life, a culture, a political ideology and a nation.
    Islam will simply overwhelm the west with numbers, as it has every other land now Muslim.
    This is why I strongly suggest that those who strongly disagree with me and my views about Islam do some research on its history and the conquering of every land, now Muslim outside of Saudi Arabia.
    To make a simple statement about Muhammad, when he started of preaching Islam in Mecca, he was but himself and 50 followers. No one listened to him and no one cared. He preached peace and tolerance and love, but decided that he wasn’t getting very far so he attacked the Jewish caravans, took their gold built himself and army and marched into Medina as a warlord and ruler of Saudi Arabia and self appointed prophet of Allah and Islam. He (Islam) then continued this course of action (Jihad) against other Jewish/Christian/Zoroastrian/Hindu/Sikh/Buddhist lands, forcing out many and enslaving the rest to either submit to Islam, Islamic control or the sword.

    Like I said, many of you are totally ignorant on Islam. You are oblivious to its history and the rise of radical Islam is so, not because of people who have hijacked Islam, but for the simple reason that Islam is growing in the west, they are getting brave as they see weakness in the ideologies that control the west, that once were not there, keeping them out in the past. Islam does not give up on Islamisation. It merely takes a break, to recuperate and gather its forces.

    So yes Martin, I’m all to familiar on the NWO and Zionist plots. but what I’m saying is they are ignorant on allowing Islam to be their battering ram to destroy British and Western culture. Islam will outnumber them greatly, moreso it will convert many indigenous (Caucasian) Europeans as well into their faith, as more and more people, who believe in God become dissilusioned with Christianity, which is dying.
    You simply cannot understand the gravity of this situation. The rampant rise of feminism, liberal ideology and of course bullying homosexuality, calling anyone a homophobe should they disagree with any part of homosexuality plays right into the hands of Islam and Islamisation. Men who see women take away their children, shaft them in courts, force them to pay alimony will be welcomed into Islam, as Sharia does not favour the woman over the man and will certainly not grant a woman a divorce and custody of the children. Islam is very much a patriarchal religion and there are many western men and women who are not prepared to live in a matriarchal society.

    Islam will grow and will dominate as it is and has been for centuries. It cannot be stopped, because unlike much of society, it has substance. In a time when our society’s ground is turning into thin ice, Islam’s ground is growing stronger and its roots deeper and deeper into the soil, unlike ours which are now nothing more than tumbleweeds blowing in the wind.

    Like I said, all you have to do is wait for 50 years to see that my predictions will come true. Now of course is the time to understand and implement actions to stop this from happening, but you won’t listen, as did those in now Muslim lands, because you think the idea is totally preposterous, because you are ignorant on Islam.
    When Islamisation of the West happens, that will be the end of the Western civilisation. The NWO/PTB/Zionists will no longer exist, as they will have been totally outnumbered by Muslims who will find and overthrow them. Their businesses and corporations will be found to be insulting to Muhammad and Allah and be destroyed. Their power will be removed and their offspring will be forced to become Muslim.

    You and many are oblivious to Islam. It’s growing and it will conquer unless stopped. Like I said 50 years and end game.

42. Martin Edwards says:

    January 27, 2010 at 1:44 pm - Reply

    [quote='Marcus' pid='4295' dateline='1264598275']

    The point I’m making is very much all what you’re saying (creating more terrorist laws with which to control) but in your ignorance of Islam and I say that not to attack but merely to state that you are oblivious to Islam and its capabilities, you fail to see that the PTB/NWO, has brought in “wolves to remove the sheep” only one day the wolves will be far too powerful for them to control, not just in the UK, but the whole of Europe and the USA. [/quote]

    [quote]Like I said, all you have to do is wait for 50 years to see that my predictions will come true. Now of course is the time to understand and implement actions to stop this from happening, but you won’t listen, as did those in now Muslim lands, because you think the idea is totally preposterous, because you are ignorant on Islam. [/quote]

    [quote]When Islamisation of the West happens, that will be the end of the Western civilisation. The NWO/PTB/Zionists will no longer exist, as they will have been totally outnumbered by Muslims who will find and overthrow them. Their businesses and corporations will be found to be insulting to Muhammad and Allah and be destroyed. Their power will be removed and their offspring will be forced to become Muslim. [/quote]

    Marcus,

    My main point appears to have lost. The first and most important battle is to ensure that the NWO / PTB actions which make our Country and Western society vulnerable to external threats must be neutralised and quickly.

    We need to regain control of this Country’s Institutions, its barriers and defences, first and then strengthen them. At the same time we should maintain our focus on any other forces rising up against us.

    [quote]You and many are oblivious to Islam. It’s growing and it will conquer unless stopped.. Like I said 50 years and end game. [/quote]

    I am not a military man but it appears logical to me that as one imminent threat is neutralised and contained another will rise to take it’s place.

    We will achieve nothing unless and until the levers of power are wrestled away from the PTB / NWO who represent no one bar themselves. This would be my first priority although I am certainly not trying to dismiss your fears out of hand.

43. Marcus says:

    January 27, 2010 at 3:44 pm - Reply

    [quote='Martin Edwards' pid='4296' dateline='1264599876']
    [quote='Marcus' pid='4295' dateline='1264598275']

    The point I’m making is very much all what you’re saying (creating more terrorist laws with which to control) but in your ignorance of Islam and I say that not to attack but merely to state that you are oblivious to Islam and its capabilities, you fail to see that the PTB/NWO, has brought in “wolves to remove the sheep” only one day the wolves will be far too powerful for them to control, not just in the UK, but the whole of Europe and the USA. [/quote]

    [quote]Like I said, all you have to do is wait for 50 years to see that my predictions will come true. Now of course is the time to understand and implement actions to stop this from happening, but you won’t listen, as did those in now Muslim lands, because you think the idea is totally preposterous, because you are ignorant on Islam. [/quote]

    [quote]When Islamisation of the West happens, that will be the end of the Western civilisation. The NWO/PTB/Zionists will no longer exist, as they will have been totally outnumbered by Muslims who will find and overthrow them. Their businesses and corporations will be found to be insulting to Muhammad and Allah and be destroyed. Their power will be removed and their offspring will be forced to become Muslim. [/quote]

    Marcus,

    My main point appears to have lost. The first and most important battle is to ensure that the NWO / PTB actions which make our Country and Western society vulnerable to external threats must be neutralised and quickly.

    We need to regain control of this Country’s Institutions, its barriers and defences, first and then strengthen them. At the same time we should maintain our focus on any other forces rising up against us.

    [quote]You and many are oblivious to Islam. It’s growing and it will conquer unless stopped.. Like I said 50 years and end game. [/quote]

    I am not a military man but it appears logical to me that as one imminent threat is neutralised and contained another will rise to take it’s place.

    We will achieve nothing unless and until the levers of power are wrestled away from the PTB / NWO who represent no one bar themselves. This would be my first priority although I am certainly not trying to dismiss your fears out of hand.
    [/quote]

    Martin,

    I do not speak as I do, because I seek to create conflict. I am not one who wishes to engage in any form of conflict whatsoever but I realise above all that the outcome of what is going on will result, very much so, on conflict.
    The NWO/PTB will not give up what power they have, to be forever cast into oblivion. The more they see that people are cottoning on to what’s going on, the more they will create laws and oppress societies even more. Then, as in days of old revolution.

    Your main points have not been lost. As I said I understand everything that you’ve written, however, I’ve just left London, after spending 16 years there, having watched it deteriorate into the sh*thole it is. Don’t let the media fool you of what London is. It is not a vibrant city of multiculturalism. It is a city, completely alien to British culture. Parts of London are now turning into Islamic ghettos. Gangs are now roaming the streets and their members are getting younger and younger. Sure, there’ve always been gangs but these gangs have a criminal element and attack innocent bystanders.

    You speak of removing the NWO/PTB and how on earth do you plan on doing that?
    Part of the problem with the NWO has been the subversion tactics that have been implemented into British society over the last 50 or so years. Out youth think differently. Our youth are pretty much ignorant on history. They do not see any problem with multiculturalism. The youth in London now speak jafaican. They have created a totally new culture altogether.

    What is happenening in society is the plan of the NWO is working to a “T.” They’ve managed to completely subvert the way people think. They have total control over the media. Take the McGann situation for example. We’ve seen two child neglectors walk free and become the victims while the Police chief, who resigned, who was a hero when it came to his job and solving previous crimes involving abductions of children has now become the villain, because he dared to question the fact that something wan’t right.

    Our society have become like the horses born in the stables who never venture outside. They don’t want to, because they know no different. Our society has become very much part of Orwell’s/Huxley’s vision of a horrific future, where we have devolved in humanity, but continued to evolve technologically.
    Even the politicians now openly speak of the New World Order as part of everyday speech. I’m reminded by Goebbels’ lie theory in that tell someone a lie often enough and they’ll eventually believe it. This is what’s happening here.

    Yuri Bezmenov spoke as a former KGB agent. He spoke that Communist subversion only takes a generation. He spoke of this in 1980. Already he was speaking of the previous generation and since he’s spoken two more generations have passed by. The rot is so deep in the UK that there really is nothing whatsoever possible people can do to reverse the indoctrination of our society.

    Immigrants flood to the cities, where they join the rest as part of the homogenous mass. Go into any city and you will see that Muslims live in Muslim areas and grow.

    I do not have any fears. I do not fear the inevitable and by 2050, I’ll most probably not be around, or if I am, not in the UK.
    You seem to miss my point that is such a simple one.
    Islamic birthrate is far greater to non Islamic birthrate. Once you are born into a Muslim family you are Muslim. You have no choice to leave. This is the situation all over every Muslim land and Islam. Here in the UK the same thing happens.
    While you and I speak of NWO, School of Frankfurt indoctrination and subversion of society, Muslims have been doing the same to their offspring since the 7th Century. The only people who can really truly tell us of the horrors of Islam are the apostates, now living in fear in the UK at the rise of Islam and the threat it poses to them.

    I am speaking logically here in that if the Muslim demographic birthrate is higher than the non Muslim birthrate then it will surpass the non Muslim population one day.
    Having studied Islam, having seen what its teachings are and understanding its history, the life we know that Pakistanis live and all other Muslims in Muslim lands will one day be ruling the way people live in the UK. Like the Caucasian Muslims of former Yugoslavia, the UK too will follow suit.
    The words from Anjem Choudary, Abu Hamza, Abu Qatada et all are 100% correct. Britain will bow down to Allah and be an Islamic state. It will only be a matter of time. This is what the liberals simply do not understand. Islam bows to no man, or political ideology other than Islam.

    And you’re speaking of removing the NWO/PTB, well, eventually they too will succumb to Islam. Why? Why didn’t they succumb in the past? Well that question is simple to ask. Islam was never a threat to the Western civilisation up until the end of the last century. We invited them in. From literally a few thousand of Muslims in the UK in the 70’s, we now have, very possibly, over 4 million. If you look at the population growth of Pakistan and Bangladesh since the 1970’s you will see that the population has tripled in size and it’s continually growing.
    Islam now has a firm foothold in the West. It’s not just here to stay but to impose and control and it will. It will control the cities, as Revolution Harry rightfully states, Birmingham will be Islamised soon, followed by Leeds, Bradford, Manchester, Luton…. In fact London’s Muslim population is close to 1.5/2million which means that the Muslim population of London is 25%+ It means that by 2050, London will be 75% (at least) Muslim, if we continue birthrate within Islam.

    This is what people do not see Martin.
    The last election in the UK, if you care to look at the map, you will see that the whole country was almost blue, apart from the Midlands and London. It shows overwhelmingly that the highest concentration of immigrant habitat, were red for NuLabour. It’s so easy to see why NuLabour won, because they targeted the immigrants in the cities. Considering that the cities have far more seats than the Burroughs outside, they won hands down. Thus all Islam has to do to Islamise the UK is to take the cities and it is. It will take the cities, utilise the votes and then move on from there.

    Islamisation is inevitable, regardless whether you believe in stopping the NWO or not. Demographics will swamp and destroy the NWO. It’s really this simple. It’s a totally new ball game, because the growth of Islam in the West, was something they have not considered will do untold damage to their plan. In fact, it will destroy it.
    You can only stop Islamisation by stopping its growth here and by stopping the indoctrination of Muslim parents to their off spring. If you allow Islam the same freedoms as non Muslims then you are merely playing a game of russian roulette. And like the film the Deerhunter, no one’s luck lasts forever, moreso because as Islam increases, more bullets will be put in the chamber of the gun.

    Britain and British people have to look at the bigger picture. They have to ask do we want to be free and choose liberty to live, or do we want to be forced to submit to an alien culture and belief system that we will have no chance of leaving once we are forced into it?
    This really is the situation here. We are subjecting our future generation to a life of total slavery. You think it will be so if the NWO/PTB succeeds. I KNOW it will be Islam because Islam will easily trump the NWO hands down, by sheer volume. As Brian Gerrish goes around warning Muslims of communist subversion and trying to break up the Islamic patriarchal, family unit, little does he know that it’s an impossibility. Islamic families, once indoctrinated with Islam are impenetrable. Brian Gerrish would be wise to study Islam, instead of helping the people, who will one day obliterate all liberty and freedom within the UK and the Western civilisation.

    Islamisation is inevitable AGAIN by mere birthrate. Like army ants, one, two, three cannot take down an enemy, but thousands easily can. Islam (the Army Ants with the same hierarchical structure) have been marching into lands and doing the same in previous lands once non Muslim for 1,400 years. Unlike the Western Empires, the previous colonies and lands conquered they’ve given back. Tell me, which lands formerly non Muslim has Islam given back? Israel is one of the lands under attack because it used to belong to Islam. The same goes for many countries in Europe, previously part of the Ottoman Empire. This is what Jihad is, reclaiming land once Muslim back into Muslim hands. Jihad is also conquering non Muslim lands for Islam.

    The West has been warned on numerous occasions and it still isn’t listening.

44. Baron von Lotsov says:

    January 27, 2010 at 5:49 pm - Reply

    [quote='Briang' pid='4281' dateline='1264541598']
    Your psychoanalysis of ‘ginger tom cats’ is great for a classroom discussion, smacks of a political student and is no use on the battlefield
    [/quote]

    It was the same when I was at university. These humanities courses require huge essays to be handed in on a regular basis where it is stipulated a minimum of tens of thousands of words are required in order to ‘qualify’. They set up an artificial environment, much like BF Skinner proposed with his Skinner Box.

    Certainly this no good for the battlefield. We need concise accurate information out to the right people on time. The press are taking notice of this and they are printing it, but you need to know how the system operates. The conspirators are not invincible; the political class is pretty stupid in fact. We are making huge progress now and it is having a very debilitating effect on their plans. See the Copenhagen ‘deal’ as a perfect example.

45. BobBobson says:

    January 27, 2010 at 6:40 pm - Reply

    [quote='Baron von Lotsov' pid='4301' dateline='1264614545']
    It was the same when I was at university. These humanities courses require huge essays to be handed in on a regular basis where it is stipulated a minimum of tens of thousands of words are required in order to ‘qualify’. They set up an artificial environment, much like BF Skinner proposed with his Skinner Box.
    [/quote]

    Well done for picking up and extoling that empty ‘go and get some real life experience you bloody student’ rhetoric.

    I am not a student, and when I was, I studied a scientific subject, not politics, not philosophy, not social science/psychology.

    However, I never actually once mentioned ginger tom cats anywhere. I was trying to describe using just a few words, how everyones mind operates out of ‘paradigms’, and how we are limited by the parameters of those paradigms. Just look at the irrational anti-Islamic rantings of Marcus. I am hoping that most people find his assertions utterly over the top ridiculous as I do. However, his head his stuck in that particular paradigm just as he is addicted to the emotional punch and energies that his ‘Islam is gonna rule the world’ psychological fixation gives him.

    [quote='Baron von Lotsov' pid='4301' dateline='1264614545']
    Certainly this no good for the battlefield. We need concise accurate information out to the right people on time. The press are taking notice of this and they are printing it, but you need to know how the system operates. The conspirators are not invincible; the political class is pretty stupid in fact. We are making huge progress now and it is having a very debilitating effect on their plans. See the Copenhagen ‘deal’ as a perfect example. [/quote]

    Telling people it’s the ‘Commies’ in a very McArthurian commie witchhunt style is also no good for the battlefield. This isn’t a bunch of yes-men robotic squaddies who are unable to think for themselves that you are preparing for a military operation. UKcolumn are trying to get media information out into the public domain in order to get more people supporting the views espoused from the people involved with this website. Brian Gerrish stated in his previous reply that people ‘need handles on the subject to grip onto’. Whilst this is true, there are already much better and more accurate ‘handles’ out there than ‘its the Commies’.

    In my view, UKcolumn would do better to gradually change their handles from ones that buy into hangover cold-war fear complexes from the 60’s, to more modern ones such as ‘its the Zionists’. The former conjures up images of the Soviet Union, Stalin, Kruschev, columns of tanks, missiles, troopers, etc etc, the latter conjures up images of the US/UK/Israel, ultra rich bankers who have got their hands on the upper levers of power slowly sucking up all the wealth out the worlds ecomony, manipulating wars between nations, profiting hugely from NATO expansion through the EU etc etc. No matter how much you want to bend the definitions of any given political system/ideology, the predominant force in the world today is not Marxist communism, but Zionist Neo-liberalism and anyone that gets the wrong way around will just seem a bit out-of-date and silly.

    But then, what would I know. I am just a single unit in the 20-35 demographic bracket that just never happened to be much exposed to fear mongering over the ‘virulent cancer of global communism’.

46. Marcus says:

    January 27, 2010 at 7:07 pm - Reply

    [quote='BobBobson' pid='4303' dateline='1264617659']
    ……Just look at the irrational anti-Islamic rantings of Marcus. I am hoping that most people find his assertions utterly over the top ridiculous as I do. However, his head his stuck in that particular paradigm just as he is addicted to the emotional punch and energies that his ‘Islam is gonna rule the world’ psychological fixation gives him. [/quote]

    Sadly, I find that those utterly ignorant on Islam, the life of Muhammad, the Qur’an & Hadith are the most vocal, when it comes to denouncing what I have to say.
    Sadly, it is the twits in life like yourself who happen to shout the loudest, sullying, lambasting, pillorying and turning those whom you disagree with into pillars of hate. You utterly loathe the thought of people sectioning a part of society, you see no problem with, only because you think Muhammad the newsagent and Abdullah the grocer happen to be decent blokes. You are still though totally oblivious to their religion and political ideology. You will pop down and maybe have a chat with them, discussing the best spices for your curry you’re going to make that night, or maybe some music from Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan, but what you are very probably oblivious to are what they listen to, when in Mosque on Fridays that their Imam has to say on the West, the infidels and of course Islamic domination of the UK.

    You class what I write as rantings, because you are first and foremost totally ignorant on Islam, thus you are unable to debate Islam with me and instead you will do your best to turn me into some looney with psychological problems. Ironically, you’re behaving no different to a member of parliament, whom upon receiving emails as to why there is heavy communist involvement within her party decides it’s time that this person stopped emailing her, had a visit from the police, saw his local GP and be whisked off for treatment in the Fixated Threat Assessment Centre – true story with Jacqui Smith by the way.

    Oh and just to finish off about making hate figures out of the public, they did it to Enoch Powell. He dared to speak out against Immigration and of course this was not a good time, especially as Conservative plans were afoot to become more involved in Europe and start bringing over Muslims from Pakistan and Bangladesh to work in the factories. Of course they removed him from his position, people in London were up in arms about it and the dockers and Smithfield meat workers went on a march.
    Now look at the situation in London 30+ years later? You won’t hear “cockney” anymore. You will hear jafaican though. You will also see that the overwhelming majority of knife crime and violent crime in London is by the members of the Black community – 52% to be precise, when ironically they only make up just under 10% of the population of London.
    But of course Enoch Powell was a racist, as they all continue to say.

    This is what you are Bob, an ignoramus of the highest calibre, who as I’ve said is completely oblivious to Islam. You are also completely oblivious to multiculturalism. You are posting on a forum of people who know that multiculturalism is the plan the NWO have of destroying British culture and identity and yet you are quite happy to attack me, someone who knows far more than you could possibly imagine on Islam, about my rantings on the Islamisation of the UK. The very fact that you do not believe that Islamisation is an overwhelming possibility by birthrate proves how little you know about Islam and Islam in the UK. Things will get far worse regarding Islam, you can expect to see that and it will come from a mixture of British born, Somalian, Pakistani and Bangladeshi youth. Watch and see and don’t say I didn’t tell you.
    Also expect the Tablighi Jamaat super mosque to be built.

47. BobBobson says:

    January 27, 2010 at 7:54 pm - Reply

    [quote='Marcus' pid='4304' dateline='1264619249']
    Islamisation of the UK. etc etc etc.
    [/quote]

    Okay then, lets say that you are right.

    Where is the ultra capital behind global Islamifcation? What great political powers have the Islamists hi-jacked to do thier bidding on the world stage? Is it the US, is it the UK, is it France? No? What about China? Or Russia? or hell, while we are at it, we may as well give bloody Israel a check! Nope, not them either!

    At least when Hitler talked of international Jewry he could point to the emerging dominance of this ethnic minority within the power structures of many powerful nations (and actually if you swap the term ‘International Jewry’ for political ‘Zionism’, then it would be hard to argue that he was wrong).

    Despite the multiculturalism occuring in Britains inner cities and the increasing social segragation and antagonism between ethnic populations, Islam has no long term part to play in a unifed EU superstate! But hey, I have said all this before in other posts just as I have stated that extreme Islam is being manipulated into the enemy that ‘they’ need to justify and excercise thier economic and politcal plans for the world. Other posters have pointed out the same things to you within this thread. Of course, considering how loudly you are thumping on your anti-Islam biscuit tin there is no way that you are going to change your views on this matter anytime soon.

    I am not an Islamophile, quite the oppossite. There are two grocery shops in the village where I live, one Asian, one White owned. I only ever shop in the white owned one. Does that make me a racist? I will let you decide. But your approximation of Islam is quite simply way out of proportion when you take the bigger picture into consideration. Perhaps over time you will come to your senses, take your magnifying glass away from the communites of Islamic extremists living in our inner cities, and look at the bigger picture and see the real role that Islam and multiculturalism has to play in the grander scheme of things.

    [b]The NWO is not Islam friendly, neither is the EU for that matter or LibLabCon![/b]

48. Martin Edwards says:

    January 27, 2010 at 9:46 pm - Reply

    [quote='Marcus' pid='4299' dateline='1264607079']
    You speak of removing the NWO/PTB and how on earth do you plan on doing that?[/quote]

    Good question.

    In post 21 on this thread you wrote:

    [quote]This is what I suggest regarding Islam:

    1. Stop the building of all Mosques and Madrassas in the UK
    2. Remove at least 85% of them from around the country, at least 95% in London.
    3. Disperse Muslim ghettos that have sprung up all over the UK.
    4. Ban the wearing of the Burqa as it is a security risk as well as highly offensive. If I can’t walk into a bank with my motorbike helmet on then neither can a Muslim in a Burqa.
    5. Immediately end benefits for all immigrants and allow those who have worked and paid tax for 15 years to be allowed them, including NHS, education etc etc.
    6. By ending the benefit system for people and implementing point 5 for immigrants you would see a drastic drop in the number of people wanting to come and live in the UK.
    7. Close all Muslim faith schools. All schools would be taught British history and culture as their own. If they didn’t like this they can go to their ancestral lands and bring their children up under their history.
    8. Expel any Muslim who should preach Islamisation, Sharia Law or Jihad not born in the UK. Those in the UK who did this, would have all benefits cut and not be allowed to work. Thus they would either leave the UK or commit crime, at which case they’d be arrested and imprisoned. People who believe that the UK would be better under Islam need a reality check and maybe a stint in the slammer might waken them up. However I strongly suggest they move to an Islamic land where they can live by they ideals.
    9. I have to say that I’m a libertarian and would allow all people the freedom of speech, but then to contradict myself in point 8, I suppose I’d let the locals deal with the Islamists, however they feel fit. They’d sort of eventually feel like a Glasgow Celtic supporter in the Glasgow Rangers stand – very unwelcome and in the wrong place at the wrong time. I’d simply give liberty back to the people and let them deal with the Islamists. They’d soon get the message and not feel welcome.

    There are many more things I’d implement, but the overall feeling would be to make Islam feel completely and utterly unwelcome in the West. [/quote]

    And just how would you go about implementing points 1 – 9 above without removing the NWO/PTB in the first place?

49. Novauk says:

    January 27, 2010 at 9:47 pm - Reply

    BobBobson: Islam has no long term part to play in a unifed EU superstate!

    Islam will overwhelm Europe in 50/70 years i agree with Marcus if i”m honest , if you look at countries were they have allowed millions to enter the pattern is always the same , slowly build up numbers and then start changing the society from within bit by bit , its not the extremist element amongst them that is worrying , i”m more bothered about the long term effects of where Europe is heading , and its the ones using the womb as a weapon who are the most worrying.

    Does that make me a racist or bad person for stating the obvious ? , i dont know ill let you decide.

50. theplebian says:

    January 27, 2010 at 9:52 pm - Reply

    [quote='Martin Edwards' pid='4291' dateline='1264558324']
    [quote='Marcus' pid='4239' dateline='1264440223']
    If Islamisation happens and it will unless Islamic growth is greatly reduced then you can kiss goodbye to any political ideology bar Islam and Sharia. Our ancestry, culture and traditions will disappear, never, ever, ever to resurface as the children will be indoctrinated with Islamic text from the Qur’an. We are looking at the total obliteration of western culture and civilisation and this land will turn into another Pakistan/Iran.
    [/quote]

    Let’s consider some plain facts shall we.

    1) It was the PTB who decided to lower our border controls whilst at the same time engaging in ‘shock and awe’ tactics in Iraq.

    2) During this time the PTB have admitted that they have no idea of the number of people who have entered this country illegally.

    3) The raft of anti-terrorism legislation is being used more against law abiding citizens (photographers and those taking part in peaceful lawful assemblies) than being used against minority groups who preach racial hatred against the British

    All of the above are in full public view.

    In contrast the following have taken place largely by stealth:

    4) The hollowing out of our state institutions and the ‘parachuting in’ of placemen. Examples discovered in Local Government, the Heath Service, Civil Service and various Government Departments.

    5) The introduction of alien institutions in the absence of a mandate from the British People. For example, unelected Regional Assemblies were introduced nationally in defiance of the negative public referendum in the North of England.

    6) The indoctrination of our school children in concepts such as interdependence in the global world, world citizenship & man made global warming. With a little digging we discover the influence of the Common Purpose “Your Turn” projects and the Council for Education in World Citizenship. How many people know that Government launched the Children’s Parliament on the Environment? Or have heard of the Charities Parliament?

    7) The destruction of democratic process which has been replaced with stakeholder consultation and focus groups. In this way fake charities and unelected and unaccountable quangos falsely claim to represent public opinion as being in favour of a predetermined political agenda.

    The subversion of our political establishment which means that even if the electorate change the colour of the political party in Government the outcome is the same. The horses might be changed but the state carriage continues travelling in exactly the same direction as before.

    My conclusion is that the perception of the Islamification of the United Kingdom has been deliberately fostered. It increases tensions, creates suspicion and division and provides a useful springboard for the further erosion of our liberties and freedoms. It is a justification for greater control mechanisms such as ID cards, more CCTV cameras etc.

    Whilst the majority have been suitably distracted it’s been business as usual with the dismantling of our Constitutional safeguards and our common law justice system. How many people now realise that for many offences you are now presumed guilty and are required to prove your own innocence? That the punishment for environmental crimes is now greater than those for crimes against the person?

    To try to pin blame for our current predicament on one Political or religious ideology is most unwise in my view. Your true enemy is disguised as a poisonous broth. Removal of one or two ingredients will not reduce its potency.

    Those whom we elect to power in Government also carry the burden of duties and responsibilities. Their duty is to protect this Nation & its inhabitants so that we may go about our lawful business and our daily lives unhindered. Not only have they neglected their duties and responsibilities they have aided and assisted others who micro-manage our daily lives and expose us to external threats

    Islamification is a symptom of the failing health and lowering of the natural defences of the United Kingdom. You don’t need to look very far to identify those who continue to administer the poison.
    [/quote]
    Hello Martin

    I concur with pretty much all the points you make.
    However i also agree with other posters that just because the Islamists and fear of Islamists is quite obviously being used by the PTB it does not mean,especially with the demographics issue already mentioned,that they are not potentially a very serious threat to our way of life and values.In saying this i am talking about if the fundamentalists or “real” muslims as Marcus calls them gain predominance,which does unfortunately at the moment appear to be being encouraged,over the moderates who wish nothing more than to get on with their lives and are as bewildered as anyone in many ways to what is going on in the country.
    Having said that as you say this all is part of an agenda and im not so sure that the plan is to “allow” things to get to the stage where Islam is in the majority in the UK,fundamentalism to the fore.I think they would try to act out whatever they have been working towards both nationally and internationally,and i get the feeling it will have horrible consequences for the vast majority of us especially probably muslims.

    As a matter of interest i have mentioned before ive spent some time in South Wales and i found this video on another forum.Im not a BNP supporter(or any party for that matter) but it is quite revealing in some ways.It shows a march by muslims through Newport town centre.This does show to an extent what is happening in our cities across the country,as Marcus and Harry said,and being back in London i get to see it clearly.However that is not what i find interesting about this clip as the march is peaceful and noone is doing anything wrong as such.Except the policewoman ,that is ,who couldnt give a better example of the political correctness,”what can i do for you” culture that now appears to permeate across those employed by in the State Sector especially it seems the police.It is almost like she is brainwashed and as soon as the woman in the veil says something to here her “programming” kicks in,as she literally marches up to the camera man with no hesitation and tells him to stop doing something which is totally legal.She makes a complete fool out of herself but its the lack of any questioning or hesitation i find worrying.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cly-56dCnIY&feature=player_embedded

    Marcus and Reveloution Harry.

    I agree with you about the demographics issue and how the combination of mass immigration and multiculturalism,political correctness,positive discrimination etc is effectively being used as little more than a weapon against the British people.This however in my opinion is not necessarily the fault of immigrants and certainly not the settled ethnic/racial groups who have been here decades.There are ofcourse exceptions
    Marcus i certainly agree with some (but definately not all) the proposals you make to try and deal with the immigration/intergration issue.
    I disagree with you however about your pessimism ie.theres nothing we can do about it.I dont subscibe to the view that there is nothing we can do about the NWO agenda nor the Islamification of the West,which i believe may be a bit of a red herring(no matter how dangerous the Islamists are,and i agree with you they are dangerous)as the s**t will almost certainly hit the fan before that stage one way or another.Besides at the end of the day if the consequences are going to be as horrific as we suspect we might as well,indeed we have a duty to try and do something.What do we have to loose?

    BobBobSon

    I appreciate what you say about getting caught up in labeling and stereotyping because of learnt views that people have depending on age,background etc but you then proceed to do it yourself;we all do to an extent and im no exception because its natural.
    I think if we are going to succeed in what we need to do to stop the PTB agenda its going to need people from across the spectrum.For this to happen people need to , not necessarily stop using their personal descriptions of what is going on or what they fear,but certainly understand when someone else with differing views is describing the same fears using different language.
    An example when you hear anti Brussels UKIP or BNP they talk about Marxist/Corporatist totalitarianism that is run by lefties
    When you hear the anti Brussels left it is an undemocratic Fascist/Corporatist entity run for big business and the right.
    They dont like the same thing but use different language to describe it.
    Division amongst the opposition is probably their most important tactic to push through projects like the EU but if people keep their heads,try analysing the state of play,they will notice that those opposing the PTB agenda have much common ground and differences may even be utilised as a strength.

    BrianG

    I agree with Brian that he is correct to try and engage British Muslims or any groups for that matter and to attempt to show how everyone is being used,played off against one and other in their divide and rule agenda.He is right to try and get the message out to as many different people as possible that those pulling the strings in reality do not have any of our interests at heart and it would appear quite the opposite.
    However it would as has been said many times on this thread be naive to think Islamists (i am in no way classing all British Muslims as Islamists because they are not) could ever be a true friend of a libertarian/western (allegedly)democratic nation.
    I also to an extent agree with Marcus that whatever Common Purpose is capable of i dont think brainwashing/subverting/NLP of large swathes of the Muslim population is one of them.The State can give succour to extreemists and set them on a collision course with the rest of the population for their own ends,they can flood areas with drugs and corrupt some of the youth into criminal gangs but in my opinion if Julia Middleton beleives she or Common Purpose can brainwash the majority of Muslims away from Islam,especially as their numbers grow,she is massively overestimating her abilities.

    Sorry i appear to have rambled on and in so doing have left myself a bit of a dilemma.I seem as i have said to be agreeing and disagreeing with everyone.The question i am now asking is am i
    1)Being pragmatic/diplomatic
    2)Indecisive/non commital
    3)Plain old fashioned Schizophrenic!:)

    Regards
    theplebian