Time For Change, From The Usual Suspects

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by Lisa Hicks

The conclusion I have come to is that if an issue, however serious, is in the mainstream news then it is probably there for one reason only – not so much to inform but to actually deceive and mislead the British public. The facts reported are usually, but not always, true but by the positioning and prominence on the newspaper’s page, the smirk on the face or the tone of the voice of the newsreader reporting it, combined with what is left out of the report, and what other stories and adverts are placed next to it, various subtle forms of manipulation and deception do take place.

The politician’s expenses revelations that have been mainstream now for weeks – all over the front pages of the press, leading stories on tv and radio, are a smokescreen to hide the many times more serious scandal of EU corruption from the British electorate. A tactic noticed and referred to by Bilderberg Group investigator Tony Gosling in his recent Alex Jones Show interview, and by Farage, Hannan and others on BBC1’s Question Time last week. If only the issue of MPs’ expenses was all Brian Gerrish and the British Constitution Group had to worry about!

Are the British really waking up yet?

No not really. In my opinion, most are just reacting in the usual docile fashion to yet more propaganda spoon-fed to them from mainstream sources. No change there then!

Here’s a thought … Could it be that the Elite, unsettled and irritated by the rise in popularity of the BNP, UKIP and anti-EU Independents – and the money they will have access to if elected, are secretly nurturing new parties in order to steal their thunder and further mislead the British public?

You cannot have failed to notice that there are some interesting new political parties standing in the forthcoming EU election. I watched a party political broadcast for The Jury Team on tv the other night. I have never heard of them before. They pledge to clean up politics. The broadcast reminded me a great deal of the creepy “Stepford Wives” – type PR film on the Common Purpose website. It ended with the slogan: “Vote For Change.”

Sounds familiar? Déjà vu perhaps?

The Conservatives have “Vote For Change,” plastered all over their election leaflets as well. Trouble is, when you actually read the leaflet, they haven’t changed much!

Libertas have also adopted this slogan on their website. One of the candidate/speakers in the Libertas party political broadcast film runs a “leadership training” business! Oh dear! I found this broadcast a bit “Stepford Wives” too. And it too ended with the slogan: “Vote For Change.”

Hmmm! Oh yes, “Vote For Change.” Barak Obama’s recent campaign mantra!

What does it mean though? What kind of change? To what? Will any old change do then ? The problem, obviously, is that change can be for the worse as well as for the better. Most desperately want and need a change from New Labour, but some honesty about some of these political parties’ real intensions would be so much more refreshing.

Vote for change?

“Down with this sort of thing,” as Father Ted would say! “Careful now!”


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  1. Patrick says:

    Absolutely agree.

    And they are not restricting themselves to the overt creation of new political parties, but are also attempting to follow the same agenda under the auspices of ‘independent’ pressure groups.

    See http://towardsmutualbenefit.blogspot.com/2009/06/union-of-voters-no-no-no.html

  2. methusala says:

    Although this might seem off topic, this is about Obama and how they report change in the USA

    “Obama has the capacity to summon heroic forces from the spiritual depths of ordinary citizens and to unleash therefrom a symphonic chorus of unique creative acts whose COMMON PURPOSE is to tame the soul and alleviate the great challenges facing mankind.” Gerald Campbell, First Things First [21]

    ( I put the common purpose part in caps and underlined it myself, but all of these are actual quotes, ive even heard him identified as Joshua, Moses, The one on news storys)

    “Barack’s appeal is actually messianic… he… communicates God-like energy… What if God decided to incarnate as men preaching ‘hope and change.’ And what if we… let them slip away, not availing ourselves… to be led by God!” Steve Davis, Journal Gazette [15]

    “This is bigger than Kennedy. . . . This is the New Testament! I felt this thrill going up my leg. I mean, I don’t have that too often. No, seriously. It’s a dramatic event.” Chris Matthews, MSNBC [16]

    “Does it not feel as if some special hand is guiding Obama on his journey, I mean, as he has said, the utter improbability of it all?” Daily Kos [17]

    “Obama, to me, must be not just an ordinary human being but indeed an Advanced Soul, come to lead America out of this mess” Lynn Sweet, Chicago Sun Times [18]
    “He is not operating on the same plane as ordinary politicians…the agent of transformation in an age of revolution, as a figure uniquely qualified to open the door to the 21st century.” Former US Senator Gary Hart, Huffington Post [19]

    “He is not the Word made flesh [Jesus], but the triumph of word over flesh [better than Jesus?]…Obama is, at his best, able to call us back to our highest selves.” Ezra Klein, Prospect [20]

    “Obama was… blessed and highly favored…I think that… his election… was divinely ordered… I’m a preacher and a pastor; I know that that was God’s plan… I think he is being used for some purpose.” Janny Scott, New York Times [22]

    “He won’t just heal our city-states and souls. He won’t just bring the Heavenly Kingdom — dreamt of in both Platonism and Christianity — to earth. He will heal the earth itself.” Micah Tillman, The Free Liberal [23]

    “The event itself is so extraordinary that another chapter could be added to the Bible to chronicle its significance.” Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr., Politico [24]

    Another part of the video included Obama during his nomination victory speech in St. Paul, Minnesota, saying, “this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal.” Anybody that followed the presidential campaign would have picked up the same nuances—angelic children organized to sing about Obama, logos depicting rays of sunlight beaming out from his ‘O’ shaped hand sign (a gesticulation Hitler used as well), books such as Nikki Grimes “Barack Obama: Son of Promise, Child of Hope” (Simon & Schuster),

    Plato’s ‘Philosopher King’ without whom our souls will remain broken, comparisons to the ‘spiritually enlightened’ Mahatma Gandhi, comparisons to the Solar Hero Perseus, comparisons to Jesus Christ and even comparisons to God Himself.

    a pre-election speech by Obama was highly cynical of Bible authority and even derided specific Old and New Testament scriptures. “Whatever we once were,” Obama says on the video, “we’re no longer a Christian nation,” adding, “Democracy demands that the religiously motivated translate their concerns into universal, rather than religion-specific values… this is going to be difficult for some who believe in the inerrancy of the Bible as many evangelicals do.” [31] Consequently, the conscious effort by Obama to reorient America away from conventional Christianity
    ( these are paragraphs from TOM HORNS article on obama)

    • sharon says:

      OK, I’ve just finished puking! What are these people on? First of all, where is the birth certificate? Second of all, if he is so great then why is he still alive? And regarding the quote from Jesse Jackson, isn’t this the same Jesse Jackson who called Obama some rather nasty names (can’t remember what exactly but the insinuation was that he was deceiving the people).
      I remember watching the speech he gave in Berlin and some way through I thought: Uh Oh, there’s our new world leader.
      Also, I don’t get the hype about how intellectual he is. Yes, he’s good at reading an autocue and has obviously been trained to do presentations but when he has to think for himself he doesn’t do that very well.
      I attended the AV conference at the weekend and an American called Freeman gave a presentation about symbols used by the illuminati and info on freemasons, etc. He also played back the words of Obama: Yes, we can. He then played those same words backwards and as clear as day it said: ‘Thank you Satan’. I’m only reporting what I heard, I don’t really know what to believe when it comes to this sort of thing. This guy also showed us pictures of busts of an ancient Egyptian family (can’t remember the name, but it sounded like Arcanata or something like that). He then superimposed half of Obama’s face alongside the half of the egyptian’s face and it matched exactly, he did the same with the wife and daughters of the egyptian and again – an exact match. Very creepy but I reserve judgement as it seems a bit far fetched.

      • sharon says:

        Sorry, in case it isn’t clear I meant that the Egyptians wife and daughters were the same as Obama’s wife and daughters.

        • methusala says:

          these illuminati try to manipulate current events to match prophesy in the bibles, i guess they decided obamas as good as anybody to further their cause, theyre actually behind scchedue around 7 years, they expected things to start in 2001 but have had drawbacks ever since, people are becoming aware of them now, and blocking things they try to do

          • glenn says:

            Watch out for the introduction of the mark of the beast. The prophecy of the children of Fatima in Portugal that ‘Buzzy’ was hawking a week ago looks a likely candidate for the introduction of the idea, the idea being that if we don’t all take the mark, Jesus wont come back in the rapture !

  3. olive farmer says:

    On The End of Democratic Government…..or the beginning.

    There is a concept mistakenly held by many if not most people that our current system of “democratic” Government is the best system, the system most likely to produce the greatest good to the greatest number of people. That our democratic system of Government is predisposed to the preservation of our liberty as citizens and to the creation of a society in which the greatest happiness for the greatest number of people is held as paramount. That under the democratic system the Government is selected in free and fair elections to do the will of the people, administer our laws, take care of the detail of running a complex society on our behalf such that we can focus on the things that matter: family and friends, the pursuit of worthwhile endeavours, making the future a better place, expanding our learning, building a model boat, walking the dog, playing a game, having fun or just relaxing.
    Of course what I’ve described is a perfect Government in a perfect society, something worth fighting for and something which was fought for time and again throughout history. An ideal that cost the blood of our forbears in the struggle to release us from slavery or serfdom, from poverty and powerlessness to a better condition known as freedom. They fought the greedy child exploiting factory owner, they fought for the vote, they fought the Nazis, they fought for and died for the ideal of a just and fair democracy, for a society of decent people kept in safety and happiness by the rule of a fair and unintrusive law.

    They might not have bothered if they had been able to see what we have done with the future they struggled for, wept over and died for. In our lethargy and indolence, in our negligence and indifference, in our preoccupation with shallow temptations we have slept on the watch. And whilst we were sleeping the very Devil himself crept in and stole our futures and destroyed what our ancestors had built.

    The very type of people that millennia of effort went into removing from the seats of power over us have sneaked back in, smirking at our complacency, filling their pockets whilst stealing back our freedoms, doing what they do best: lying, cheating, abusing, torturing, murdering and enslaving. They have been intelligent about it. They have planned and conspired, organised and co-operated, been determined and underhand. They have stopped at nothing to win through and achieve their vile and menacing supremacy. Their greatest weapon has been the love of money and usury. Our prison bars are made of debt, our prison guards have accepted their dirty money.
    The results are in plain sight, and still people are absent of the righteous anger and indignation that would drive them to action. This is a tribute to the all encompassing cleverness of their scheming. They now hold in their hands control over Governments (and control over the political parties that make them up, and over political parties that might in the future make them up). They control the drug companies and through them the medical care we are offered (at a time when the greatest new plagues of cancer, diabetes, etc etc are sweeping the globe they are letting us die for the sake of profit). They control our arms of state, the police, judiciary, armed forces and civil services and through them inflict upon us intrusive regulation, unfair taxation (theft by another name) a legal system which favours the big and the strong and the wealthy over the weak and the poor whilst doing little to stem the tide of violence that keeps us locked behind our own doors, afraid of the night.

    It‘s not too bad for us. The drip by drip loss of liberty, the gradual surrender of our health, the slow surrender of freedoms to employees of the State (jailors, bullies and busybodies paid for by our own labours and endeavours!) That’s not so bad. In your name and mine, to our everlasting shame, in foreign countries where our rulers have economic interests , convenient excuses for invasion and brutality and mass murder have arisen. To save us from “terror” we have become the world’s terrorists. To grow “democracy” around the world we have become murderers and baby killers. In Iraq, Afghanistan, now Pakistan and countless other places around the world the citizens of Britain and America are seen in exactly the same way as the Nazis were seen just 70 short years ago. And what was that Nazi society? A nation of ordinary people that had allowed the Devil to sneak into power and surrendered its liberties for a handful of lies.

    So it is that you and I, all of us, have been on the watch that brought to an end democratic government and substituted in its place an evil sham democracy that in all but name is as fascistic and controlling as Hitler’s Germany, as evil and menacing as anything the world has ever seen, a sham democracy that is rushing to create a prison globe of serfs and slaves governed by an uncaring and devilish elite.

    Not on my watch!
    The time has come for action. The time has come to cast of the shackles that restrict our actions. The time has come to restore and improve upon the legacy that our ancestors fought and died for. The time has come to disbelieve everything that the lying, deceitful usurious devils tell us through their propaganda machinery, the TV and press that they own and control. The time has come to wrest back from them the instruments of power and authority which they have stolen, to restore our societies to some semblance of civilisation. To fight once more for life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness .

    It is not sufficient for us to hold our opinions and in doing so be satisfied that we are in the right. If a shopkeeper short changes us, do we not march up to them and confront them with the truth and demand recompense? So it must be with those that have usurped and cheated us of our heritage. If we consider their rules unjust, we should gather together and tell them so (and particularly those rules that forbid us from gathering together). If we think that our Government and the political parties that have sold out their souls for a few crumbs from their masters’ plates should go, then we should gather together and remove them. Any man that complies with this murderous pack of predators, who pays his taxes, pays the interest on their fictional loans, votes for a political party instead of an ordinary, independent man or woman with a conscience and moral fibre, any man that allows himself to be drawn away from his purpose by their petty circuses or to sit by whilst others take the strain and take the risk, let that man feel the shame that is his due, let him face his children and grandchildren and tell them
    “I did nothing. I sat idly by. I didn’t want to take the risk.”
    The beginning shall be a persistent and practical denial of their authority over us. I am not a law unto myself, but I am a free man and a soul wrapped up in a body of flesh and blood. If I consider a law unjust or an apparatus of state a wrong then as a free man I have the right to object to it and a duty to bring it to the attention of my fellow citizens. If I think my Government is actively working against the very people it is it’s job to nurture and protect, then it is my duty to do something about it.
    For all good people the greatest fear is to be seen acting alone, to be seen as a maverick, to be ignored as they fight the good fight and pay the penalty for their conviction, honour and bravery. It is a noble thing to act alone in the face of repression and evil, but it doesn’t have to be so. There are enough good citizens now to begin such an enterprise with some chance of success, with some chance of the possibility of such success snowballing into victory and the opportunity to enter the broad, sunlit uplands of a worthwhile and wonderful new world.
    I am no advocate of violence. The tools of state oppression are designed to deal with violence with the application of superior violence. Where there is no violence in the objection, agents of the elite will act to provoke violence and so discredit the objection. In addition, any new world that has its roots in bloodshed will, as history demonstrates, find itself enveloped in bloodshed. We cannot hope to fight evil with an evil of our own. We have to take the moral high ground. We will be peaceful, we will be non-violent, we will greet the slings and arrows of the servants of the state sent to break us with love for them, we will keep on and on, growing as a snowball does, until they are broken and smashed by the collective action of humanity seeking, once and for all, to assert its humanity and cleanse the world of what, as a non-religious person, even I can only call “The Devil“.
    http://www.olivefarmercrete.blogspot.com

    • Corkers says:

      Nice Post Olive, lets stop these corrupt people NOW.

    • Fremen says:

      “We cannot hope to fight evil with an evil of our own. We have to take the moral high ground. We will be peaceful, we will be non-violent, we will greet the slings and arrows of the servants of the state sent to break us with love for them, we will keep on and on, growing as a snowball does, until they are broken and smashed by the collective action of humanity seeking, once and for all, to assert its humanity and cleanse the world of what, as a non-religious person, even I can only call “The Devil“.”

      Loving your enemies does not mean allowing them to do evil, or to get away with doing evil; or allowing them to persuade you/we/I to do evil things; or to stop you/we/I from doing what is good and right.

      Laws of Karma – cause and effect Sowing and reaping. If all people were good there would be no problems at all.

      Capitol punishment of a very few because after thousands of years some will as yet not try and learn to be good by Gods standards, Even the genuine! Threat of capitol punishment would stop most of it ever having to be enforced. Set against the millions that have been are and will be murded when it is all so unnecessary.

      ————————–

      “You shall not judge.” He who judges another, condemns himself (Matt. 7:1). God has given HIS Judgements and Laws, as well as The Commandments, and anyone else’s judgements and laws are Totally Illegal. IF everyone kept The Commandments there would be absolutely no problems on Earth.

      “Honi soit qui mal y pense” – evil be to him who thinks it. Do not judge, so that you will not be judged (Matt. 7:1-2 & Luke 6:37). If you judge anyone, by any judgement other than those that God gave to Moses, you will be judged in the same way, by God. Let him, who is not a sinner, throw the first stone. No-one threw a stone, because all human+beings are sinners (Matt. 7:11). Why?

  4. Biloxi says:

    technology and poisons. we did not stand a chance unless we were one of the families who owned the power to | of | with, technology and poisons – to enslave the planet and unfortunately it has exterminated the species since one and the same is just that: the so-called ‘rich’ have also done it unto themselves. now, however, the scramble is on to see which families can remain on top of the heap of humans being disposed of as fast as they grew their ‘common stock’ for ‘culling.’ which countries families of wealth can hold onto it and then which countries of the wealthiest can remain in power at the top of geopolitics and then …. gosh so many games for these ‘elite of earth’ to play. bottom line: richest families on earth who have in-bred the most criminally insane offspring willing to nuke are playing a deadly game of future stakes to own the earth.

  5. cheesy says:

    Is that Time for a Change away from The Usual Suspects – to something new ?

    Or is Change – being presented to us by the usual suspects themselves?

  6. LIZ says:

    This is slightly off-topic but I wanted to bring it up…

    Just wanted to say, there is alot of talk about the ethical questions regarding Reality TV shows such as Big Brother and X-Factor etc…. (the exploitation of the naive and mentally/emotionally insecure members of the public), well it made me think of the 1987 film “The Running Man” – I am sure you have seen this film? I don’t know if the people who made the film knew something that we didn’t, a la George Orwell, or if it was merely a ‘coincidence’ that is seems somewhat prophetic in it’s vision. I was only about 10 years old when I first watched this film and found it very chilling, a nightmarish depiction of a totalitarian dystopia.

    The plot of the film is as follows:

    “The year is 2017. The world economy has collapsed. The United States has sealed off it’s borders and has become a military controlled police state which controls TV, movies, art, books, communication and censorship. In the police state America has become, criminals have a choice. They can serve their sentences in prison or they can take part in “The Running Man” a government owned violent game-show where contestants running for freedom are pursued by “Stalkers” wrestler-like bounty hunters. “The Running Man” is the top rating show on network TV and Damon Killian, the creator and host is the most popular entertainer in the US. But one man has yet to play… Former L.A. police officer Ben Richards, framed for the massacre of innocent people, when disobeyed orders is recaptured, after escaping from prison. Ben is forced to appear on “The Running Man”, joined by resistance fighters William Laughlin and Harold Weiss and Amber Mendez, (a network employee who Richards took hostage and she turned Richards into the authorities) are chased by The Stalkers, as they search for the secret base of the resistance, as they bid to broadcast the truth about the government and prove Ben’s innocence. “

    • glenn says:

      It’s a drop in the ocean of time since crowds watched fights to the death in the gladiatorial arena during the first un holy Roman Empire.

  7. Mark Welsh says:

    Just thought the following would be of interest:

    Dear Money Morning Reader,

    I’m writing with important news about America’s monetary system.

    The U.S. Treasury has finally approved a new gold-backed “dollar.”

    This new legal tender will spend just like regular paper dollars. You can use it to buy wine, shoes, computers, even houses.

    But for those who get in now, the new money could automatically double your savings in just 6-9 months.

    That’s because unlike regular paper dollars, this currency rises in value whenever gold prices rise. And according to experts such as Euro Pacific Capital President Peter Schiff, gold is on the verge of a 100-500% rocket ride.

    That’s why I urge to read the special report we’ve prepared on this opportunity immediately.

    The sooner you get onboard, the faster you can supercharge your cash.

    Sincerely,

    Mike Ward
    Publisher, Money Morning

    U.S. Treasury Approves “Gold Dollars”…

    “America’s New Legal Tender”

    You can now use this gold-backed cash to potentially double
    your savings over the next 6-9 months, automatically

    Gold expert Peter Schiff shows you how, for free

    Dear Reader,

    The U.S. Treasury Dept. has officially approved an historic switch.

    Starting days from now, you’ll be able to exchange regular paper dollars for a more valuable form of money.

    Experts are calling America’s new legal currency “Gold Dollars.”

    Because each “dollar” is backed by one gram of pure, 24-karat gold…

    You’ll be able to use this money just like regular dollars. You can buy anything from shoes to wine, cars to houses.

    The only difference?

    Since the money is backed by physical gold (stored in Fort Knox-like security), it could prove the smartest “investment” you ever make.

    The purchasing power of each “dollar” goes UP whenever gold rises. The value of your savings account could soar…

    Every time Congress passes another trillion-dollar spending package, fueling inflation…

    Every time the world flees into gold thanks to geopolitical instability (think North Korea successfully testing a nuclear bomb)…

    Every time massive hedge funds and Wall Street firms pile into gold to hedge their equity positions…

    Every time countries like China move out of the U.S. dollar and buy massive quantities of gold, like the 1,054 tons they now hold.
    And considering where gold is likely headed, this could be the perfect time to change some money over to the new currency.

    As Reuters reported March 9: “Gold may reach $2,000 an ounce in the next year if the dollar falls [further].”

    Richard Russell wrote in his Dow Theory Letters on May 19: “Gold seems on a roll now.”

    Dennis Gartman said on May 20 that “the dollar does look vulnerable… if this persists, commodity prices generally shall rise, and gold shall too.” And MarketWatch now reports that gold could be on the verge of a “historic breakout.”

    As you’ll see in this report, making the switch to “Gold Dollars” could not only protect your savings against coming market shocks, it could automatically double your money over the next 6-9 months.

    Even better…

    You don’t have to move all your savings, or make any big decisions. You can start with as little as $30. Converting to “Gold Dollars” takes about five minutes. Anyone can do it online, securely, using your regular savings account.

    And one of the country’s leading gold analysts, Peter G. Schiff, will show you exactly how, for free.

    Any thoughts on the above?

    • sharon says:

      Welcome back Mark,

      Is this for real? If it is then it makes a great deal of sense and could end up putting the central bankers out of business. Suddenly they don’t control the money supply. Wow! They won’t give it up easily though. But yeah, there could be something in this.
      Anyway, let me know if this is actually being proposed in the real word.

      • Crush The Talmudic Zionist Serpent says:

        Good news indeed.

        Anything that shakes and hopefully smashes the chains of debt-slavery must be applauded and acted upon wherever possible.

        The power and control the usurers and moneylenders have over us must be negated as soon as possible if ourselves and more importantly our children are going to have any kind of future.

        I’ve read about some towns in America that have printed their own money that can be used to purchase goods and services within them.

      • Mark Welsh says:

        It’s real.

        I subscribe to this investment magazine.

        http://www.moneymorning.com

        I just received an email from them with this. There is a lot more on it but it would take up far too much space. There is no link because it is simply an email circular however you may find something on the site regarding it.

  8. Crush The Talmudic Zionist Serpent says:

    Big Brother is “predictive programming”. Conveying a future event/society via subliminal messaging in a television programme.

    Its cleverly conveying the message to – in particular – impressionable teenagers and youngsters that this is the way their future and future society will be and isn’t it fun? The sinsister panoptic ‘All Seeing Eye’ in the programme’s logo says it all. The same sort of sinsiter logic is also being used on children. Come on kids isn’t it fun to have your fingerprints taken to get school meals etc.?

    Hollywood throughout the 90s released numerous films portraying Moslem as fundamentalists and terrorists. Thus when 9/11 happened the subliminal message conveying this had already been desposited into the psyche of the American public.

    Just look at some of the others over the years:-

    Logans Run – Euthanasia and De-Population Agenda
    Soylent Green – Famine, Global Warming, Civil Disorder
    Eyes Wide Shut – Occultism, Secret Societies
    Clockwork Orange – Pyschologocial Warfare, “Mental Healing”, PsychoPolitics
    The Omega Man – Biological Warfare, Societal Breakdown

    There’s been numerous others promotiong the Airline/UFO Agenda, Trans-Humanism and Dystopia etc.

    • Crush The Talmudic Zionist Serpent says:

      I do apologise this should be a reply to Liz’s comment further up.

    • sharon says:

      And don’t forget the ‘Survivors’ series on not long ago. The one about the virus wiping out all but 10% and how people survived, or not , after that.

  9. Fremen says:

    “The U.S. Treasury has finally approved a new gold-backed “dollar.”

    Taking that it’s a true report. In short.

    As they can’t be trusted (yet) you would want the Gold itself and not certificates.

    It will make no difference if Usury, fractional reserve lending and the charging of interest is maintained along side it.

    If its going to be bench mark traded “each “dollar” goes UP whenever gold rises” in a manipulated market it will go up or down on the whim of the market makers who take their orders from we know where.

    If it does go up for the few who will participate it will keep them on board of the pyramidal greed maintaining the system for those at the top as long as that particular scenario suits their agenda.

    No mention of keeping the whole money system in correlation to goods (The sum total of national constructive effort is the true basis of the issue of money, whether in the form of currency or of credit)

    No mention of how that correlation should be adjusted to maintain (correlation to goods no inflation or deflation)
    No mention of debt-s

    No mention of how to motivate people but just greed competition to gain selfish advantage (rather than competition to render service, and the added joy and pride of the skilful craftsman, or husbandman.)

    No mention how they can demotavate people (political communise it) so people want the money but not the work. For change that they would provide solution.

    No mention how it ties into other aspects of life and order.

    • Crush The Talmudic Zionist Serpent says:

      Unfortunately, Fremen you’re right.

      I was just being optimistic after having a crappy day.

      The fact is every note in the economy has a debt attached to it and until we resolve this diabolical scenario and have our own sovereign government controlling monetary policy and issuing interest and debt free money NOTHING will change.

    • Mark Welsh says:

      Oh I agree with you both there. It is not time for any sort of celebration but it is simply very interesting what is going on here.

      • Mark Welsh says:

        Just to add…you’re right, they are still in total control. They set gold pricing and also they mention Fort Knox. That’s a bit of a joke since Fort Knox could very well have zero gold in it! It has not been audited for decades – just like the Federal Reserve and many are shouting that it should be since there have been so many gold swaps between central banks that no-one knows how much gold is anywhere EXCEPT, most probably, the IMF!!

        Anyhow, what’s gold? Just more of the same. Its value given to it by them and we support it.

        • Crush The Talmudic Zionist Serpent says:

          Mark, God knows how pitiful our gold reserves are after Mr Bean, when he was Chancellor sold a load to the Rothschilds at a rock bottom price!

          Anything can be used as a commodity. Gold and silver only ended getting used because of its convenience to transport around.

          • Fremen says:

            Hey Crush

            People even used yak dung as money, it being a valuble commodity for fire as there not being much wood about to use. Reminds me of the streets of Babalondon paved with dung, as in the evil of the love of Gold/money.

            If we released the debt and started again with Gold and put the economics back correctly a pocket full would buy a house and remain that way because of no inflation ect.

            Like you say “Anything can be used as a commodity” that would be a better way for correlation adjustments as it should only be a short time untill the next release adjustment.

        • sharon says:

          Yep, must admit my initial optimism is now dashed.
          Re: Gold – you’re right it is merely a commodity but one that has kept its value for 5,000 years and one which does not degrade or tarnish. Something is going on though that’s for sure.

          • The Editor says:

            “and one which does not degrade or tarnish.”

            He he … you should speak to Mervyn King about that. The junk that’s left in the BoE’s reserves after GB sold the good stuff is cracked and tarnished. The implication (denied when the story broke) is that what’s left in there is debased. Probably the only reason it hasn’t been sold yet.

  10. MARILYN DAY says:

    Change: To make different ;to alter ;to transform; n. alteration, modification, substitution,
    This is what the dictionary says, change does not necessarily
    mean change for the better. I would prefer no change as we have all the laws, which
    if they were applied properly could transform this country. These have been tried
    and tested over centuries. It’s change that has got us in this mess.

    • sharon says:

      And globalisation!

  11. Glenda says:

    With regard to the expenses scandal, I have an exert from an old Byzantine Empire parable..it reflects quite accurately what is happening in politics today.

    After a day of hunting, when some game was being roasted, it was discovered that no salt was available. The ruler, Nushirvan the Just, sent an attendant to the village to get some. Nushirvan said ” Pay for the salt , lest the village be ruined and a bad precedent be established ” . When asked what harm could come from such a small amount, Nushirvan replied : “The first foundation of oppresion in the world was little, but those who came after addedd to it so that it reached its present culmination. If the king eats one apple from the garden of a subject, his attendants will dig up the tree by the roots. For every half egg the sultan allows to be taken unjustly , his troops will put a thousand fowls upon the spit. A tyrant of ill fortune will not endure, but the curse on him abides for ever.

  12. videomeme says:

    Change Change the Conservatives keep Shouting in their signs. I have seen them in southern England. Did anyone notice that the Obama cry was Change Change too? Statisticians and political spin doctors know that this the majic word the people want to hear now. It works…it got Obama elected. Change for the better or worse? Just… Change …..is misleading. Chane for what, Change into what. Looke like the spin is on.

  13. Dave says:

    When will you lot look at the bigger picture, the UKIP are 90% jewish and pro Israel…fact,
    Alex Jones is pro zionism…fact, the canadian government is 99% jewish….fact, Obama’s cabinet is 99% zionist…fact, as for the media, it has been shown a large majority of correspondants are on either MI6,CIA or Mossad payrolls, the main media channels are owned by who? the intelligence communities answer to who? never mind ALL the above and the other main parties ALL recently attended bilderberg in greece, which consists of who?
    Thankfully WE can now be sure the GOOD people inside the press,intel,military and political communities are leaking enough to keep us informed of the disinfo being brandished around these so called truth groups, and we also know the elite as you put it are fighting amongst themselves enough to cause us to be able to identify the attendees of the recent bilderberg meet , the committee of 300,and why does every so called truth group never seem to mention the largest country on this planet are extremely fed up with the uk and the u.s, does anyone here think the founders of the east india trading co. have stopped their money spinning? wake up, or are the column along with thebc group yet more payslips for chatham house to print?
    Does anyone in the column disagree the distruction of the U.S is part of the main agenda? still a british colony, there’s your expenses smokescreen.

    • sharon says:

      Dave, I actually agree with most of what you say, except of course the intimation that we may be receiving payslips from Chatham House.
      I’m dubious about the so-called GOOD people inside the press, intel, military, etc providing leaks to help us but I hope so. And yes, as far as the US is concerned, I too have wondered if they are some sort of experiment because things maybe bad here but from what I’ve seen in the US (FEMA camps, hundreds of thousands of coffins, whole communities being foreclosed on, tent cities, one in nine on food stamps, large task force of armed police turning up to evict people, middle classes homeless, etc., etc.) it’s nothing compared to here – so far anyway. My guess is we’ll be next. I know there are already people losing jobs and houses here but it doesn’t bear any resemblance to what is happening in the states. It could be the fact that they are armed to the teeth and therefore require different treatment. Or, it could be that there is a war on between the powers. Time will tell.

      • methusala says:

        in my opinion the new world order or illuminists have no religion, they just attach themself to one, cause mayhem and atrocitys, devalue the religions in the worlds eyes, a reason to say hey religion doesnt work, these people are just evil greedy control freaks that need stopped

  14. olive farmer says:

    There is a lot of talk about jewish conspiracy, yet it is evident that the elite are not jewish exclusively and in practice. Poor old Jews, ever the scapegoats because disproportionately they have the skill and understanding to become wealthy.The bloodline that comprises the elite have a fair number of Zionists amongst their first line of servants and always ensure that they line up the Jews to take the flak. If we fall for this again it’ll be like Germany, carting Mr Zimmerman the cobbler off to the camps for being part of the elite, or the Russian pogroms where peasant Jews were slaughtered for the same ridiculous reasons.
    The Jewish tradition of scholarliness and learning has brought us so much of value that one wonders what we have lost in these periodic genocides.
    Perhaps it is those very traditions that the elite bloodline fear so much, and the reason for the periodic cleansing? Is the Jewish community their greatest threat, and if so is that why they recruit and control their best and manipulate the rest with Zionism (which will end in a terrible conflagration in Israel, almost certainly quite soon) and with fancy jobs in the money system?
    Should we not judge each person for their individual deeds, and leave collective blame based on manipulated sentiments and inaccurate generalisations in the dustbin of history ?

    • The Editor says:

      Olive Farmer,

      I agree. This is one of those areas where we all need to grow up a bit. Some say its Jews, or possibly Zionists, others here say it Catholics or possibly Jesuits.

      It is all of these, and none.

      This is a war of ideas. It makes no difference who is promoting the ideas, and what label they want to put on themselves, or what label we might put on them. We need to rise above this “its the Jews” “its the Jesuits” mentality, and recognise that all these groups represent an idea – oligarchy.

      Look back through several thousand years of known history. Was it “the Jews” in Babylon or Sumer? Was it “the Jesuits” in ancient Greece? Yet it was the same kind of fight.

      The simple question is, are we as individuals going to behave like animals, or are we going to behave like human beings? What happens to society when that choice is made? Are we not doomed to repeat history until we start learning from it?

      I find it ironic when people claim to understand the nature of the so-called NWO on one hand, and yet claim its all a conspiracy organised by one section of society. Haven’t we learned yet that these groupings are artificial? Divide and rule and all that …

      • glenn says:

        You couldn’t be more wrong. There are two groups of people on earth and always have been. Enlightened and unenlightened. The enlightened ones have and always will run the planet, that is God’s choice and it is the way it has always been. The enlightened ones form groups: Jesuits, Freemasons, Templars etc etc.
        Recognising illuminati groups is extremely important. These groupings are far from artificial.

        Greece was run by illuminati, Babylon was run by illuminati, Egypt was run by illuminati, Byzantium, Saxon England the Roman Empires in fact every civilisation of note. What have you learned of them from history ?

        Illuminati are interdimensional travelers with mental skills beyond the norm and access to knowledge of all things good and evil, which is why you are their toy and always have been. You don’t understand them so your rational is the best you can come up with, i don’t blame you for that, but i do know that you’re statement is made with you being in possession of zero facts !

        I find it laughable when people claim to understand the nwo without even knowing who and what the illuminati are !

        • The Editor says:

          What a load of twaddle. Do me a favour and take it elsewhere.

          • glenn says:

            Once again someone disagrees with you and instead of reasoned argument in return, a request to leave . Well it’s your ball you can take it home if you like !

        • Revolution Harry says:

          God’s choice? Are you sure about that? Your comment appears quite defeatist Glenn. I’m far from sure they’re as all powerful as you claim. Why else are they desperate to suppress and control us? Out of interest, what’s your suggestion as to the best way to defeat the ‘NWO’?

          • Fremen says:

            I would think that satanic fear drives a lot of the NWO types to control people. The us or them so get them first mentality. Rather than Love truth justice for all! They only have the power we (the more people the better with less pain and suffering) allow them to have.

          • glenn says:

            Well Harry, a goodbye post as you can see i’ve been asked to leave for the content of my posts.

            “Gods choice” , yes i’m very sure, i could go into great detail on how that works but as you can see it’s not wanted here. You’ve been taught to believe that no one knows who God is, but that couldn’t be further from the truth, the Illuminati have protected that secret for thousands of years.

            The illuminati control the British, French, Israeli and U.S nuclear arsenals. That’s just a small piece of their power but that alone makes them pretty powerful.

            As for being defeatist i’m sorry i gave you that impression. I just think that before entering a fight of any sort with any one you should understand your opponent completely. Don’t underestimate them, and know how they work ! Once you understand them they can be dismantled and their power removed.

            They are desperate to control and suppress us because they know their time of working in secrecy is coming to an end. If the whole world wakes up to them and becomes aware of their ways before they get us totally controlled they will be over run, simply outnumbered. At which time they would rather destroy the whole place than get arrested, tried and all that. They will have contingency plans for that, bunkers and safe places to sit out the worst !

  15. Lars says:

    The stated purpose of the ruling oligarch is to conquer and divide. The word party and its system is set up to keep people divided (party-part-parting-separating), and with that keep focus off the true issue to serve all people, not just part of them.

    The false left-right paradigm and system of democracy are perfect for retaining a feudalistic state and build on it. Democracy is setting is the fundamental corner stone for corruption and rule by a super class, for it means mob-rule. What is needed is a constitutional Republic, one, where not mob, but law rules. A constitutional Republic is the only institution that can serve all, and set the stage for individual freedom.

    Where the rule of law is subverted (in the US the Patriot Act supersedes the Constitution, in the UK the Terrorism Act, and other control laws), the door is opened for control of the masses by a few.

    As long as we, the people are playing into the left-right, false paradigm, into artificially injected racism, into middle-class vs. proletariat, into Coca Cola vs. Pepsi, we will not regain our birth right of liberty and a life free of serfdom.

    • Lars says:

      Correction:
      Line 1 Divide and Conquer, from the Latin phrase “Divide et Impera”
      Line 2 Democracy is setting the fundamental corner stone…

  16. living in dread says:

    Here’s my take on the controlled Mass Media, “the expenses scandal”, and all the rest of the lies, deceit and spin we are fed daily. It’s all a charade, Grind us Doon Broon won’t resign and he won’t be pushed either, why, because it’s all just a game a charade to stop us thinking about their true agenda, all of the parasitic traitors in Westminster know their time is up, that’s why they are milking the system for all it’s worth,
    I know, “I’m crazy”, but this whole expenses charade has been engineered by our very own political masters. Yes a few devious, corrupt criminal MPs will fall on their swords and resign, they can afford to, they will still come out of it smelling of roses, they will have already lined up cushy jobs with huge salaries and perks, more will be shunted into the House of Lords , most will repay part of their ill gotten gains, say they deeply regret their mistakes and carry on as normal, there will be reshuffle after reshuffle, they are playing for time, they know we will never be given another General Election in this country. They know the European Union will dissolve our parliament before there is another General Election, or the Civil Contingencies Act 2004, “flu pandemic”, will be used to cancel all elections, this has been the plan from day one.
    Grind us Doon Broon is not incompetent, he’s not stupid, he knew exactly what would happen when this “orchestrated scandal” hit the headlines, he is a very clever, devious corrupt megalomaniac determined to destroy this country from within, it’s all part of the great EU dream.
    EU Dictatorship, total enslavement.
    Ps I’m sure you all know that the flu pandemic is a carefully orchestrated plan by the Global Elite/WHO to inoculate us all, by force if necessary with live Avian/Swine flu vaccines with up to a 75% kill rate.
    God help us all.

    • Lars says:

      Those politicians who have defrauded taxpayers should be arrested, tried and convicted if found guilty. Yet, as “living in dread” points out, they are carrying on without consequences. This proves, that there are rules for us, and special rules for the chosen ones.

      Where is the police? In the pocket of the criminals who rule us.

      • Wiggins says:

        Latest News: Police claim insufficient evidence to continue any further enquiries ( I’d be surprised if they made any in the first place) against ‘fiddling’ MP’s. Am I surprised? Course not.

    • LIZ says:

      Very good comment living in dread, I agree with you. Am very suspicious of the swine flu agenda, they are definately up to something – especially after the earlier near miss thanks to Baxters and their lovely live bird flu vaccine…

      I also agree with you that this expenses ’scandal’ has been totally staged from day one – a convenient smokescreen, sadly most people fall for it. Brown knows EXACTLY what he is doing. Even a 5 year old could not ‘accidentally’ cock-up the entire economy and destroy the very fabric of our country so catastrophically – it is all planned and it’s all for a purpose – a “common purpose” to be exact..

      The next few months have a lot in store, sadly I see the public time and time again will fall hook line and sinker for the mainstream media’s propoganda……

    • sharon says:

      Re: Flu pandemic: I’ve heard that the ‘big one’ will be with us in Oct/Nov this year. It could be administered by forced vaccinations I suppose but if enough people refuse to be vaccinated, whether by force or not, it won’t be easy for them to do it because they’re aren’t enough enforcers or prison places. I’m assuming that none of us on this site would agree to a vaccination and alot of people I’ve spoken to have said they won’t have one. All it takes is a few million refusing and it becomes untenable. Maybe they’ll add more chemicals to the chemtrails which seem to be appearing in increasing numbers. I do believe we are in imminent danger and have heard from more than one source that Britain is about to be locked down with no one entering or exiting. Apparantly this was even in the media yesterday although I didn’t hear it.

      • LIZ says:

        Hear Hear….If any ‘medical officer’ tries to inject me I will tell them where to shove it!
        Rather interesting how the topic of conversation in the news this week is the
        idea of forced vaccinations (for kids) however I recckon this is a blatent
        psy-op to test the reaction of the public – to gage ‘publik opinion’ etc ready to
        implement their forced swine flu vaccination. Unfortunately my brothers will not
        listen to me and they are happy to go along and have the vaccine. Maddening.
        I have noticed many recent possible ‘chemtrails’ or strange looking streaks accross the sky which dont seem to evaporate like normal steam from planes…. my friend has also noticed these alot over London recently. I took a photo of some yesterday actually I will try and post a link. Very strange…..

        • sharon says:

          Hi Liz,
          Yes, Chemtrails. They are very easy to spot. As you say, a normal plane’s vapour is a thinner line and will disappear in less than a minute. A chemtrail starts off looking like a normal planes’ vapour but will not disappear and will start to spread out until the sky, even a nice clear blue one, will have a sort of light grey haze covering it. I understand that these chemtrails contain something called berium (don’t know if that’s how you spell it) and is designed to futher dumb us down but also people are complaining of cold-like symptoms and aches. I need to do some more research on this.
          Re: Vaccines – if BBC’s Question Time is anything to go by (also Telegraph comments on same story) then I would say that there are probably more people awake to the idea that having vaccinations is not such a good idea. So let’s hope there are too many people refusing in which case it will become untenable for them to enforce.
          PS. Your island is looking more attractive by the day!

        • Lars says:

          The threat of forced vaccination programmes is real. It is for this reason that I unregistered from the NHS. I will also refuse to pay taxes to the NHS. The quacks who call themselves doctors are at best criminally negligent, at worst eugenically culpable.

      • LIZ says:

        Talking of chemtrails, many possible sightings have been seen over London recently,
        and I took this pic yesterday in London. I’m no expert but steam usually evaporates?! These trails stayed for ages:

        http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=7245751&l=64ea2f12a7&id=504180594

        And as for vaccines – i for one will not be letting anyone go near me with a needle!!!

  17. Fremen says:

    “they are carrying on without consequences. This proves, that there are rules for us, and special rules for the chosen ones.”

    Its like all this talk of unconditional love and forgiveness, which means the forgiveness of crimes or anything goes, it will all just (change) go away regardless of the fact that one bad apple can ruin the barrel, sort of beyond good and bad.

    Qui bono (“To whose benefit?” literally “as a benefit to whom”?

  18. Revolution Harry says:

    Fremen, I too have difficulty with the concept of unconditional love and, to a lesser extent, forgiveness. The best I can do, at the moment, is to try not to hate. That doesn’t mean I don’t recognise those that are doing things against both mine and others best interests or that I’ll try and stop them, but it does affect how I go about it.

    As to forgiveness, that doesn’t mean I ignore the crimes that are being committed or see the necessity for the need to ensure those criminals are stopped and unable to be able to commit further crimes.

    • Fremen says:

      I know its hard Harry it is for me too,

      olive farmer stated

      “Should we not judge each person for their individual deeds”

      It shouldn’t be any different. I’m sure we can all agree with that here.

      Overcoming our emotions, the difference between nature (human) and Grace(being) is something we all need to learn. There should be no emotion in judgement at all.

      The way I see it is with unconditional Love is that at some point we/you/I have to realise that it has to be conditional or the suffering, human or Spiritually would be never ending suffering. And we have to keep learning to Love in the right way.

  19. methusala says:

    who knows maybe one day these groups will be infiltrated, maybe they already are, maybe obamas million man army has 750 thousands patriots enlist, maybe they might realise uh oh we made a big mistake, maybe hteyll finally see sense, who knows? but i wont take jabs , mandatory or not, theres no maybe about it

  20. Baron von Lotsov says:

    Well guys, if the expenses scandal was to mask the issues of the EU and its dastardly wicked constitution I can only say they have failed spectacularly. It has pushed the UKIP into the mainstream good and proper now. It was riding at number two in the last poll. The UKIP would have paid good money for this kind of boost. It’s still possible they did intend to do this, although I’m not sure whether it is an almighty cockup of theirs, or if it was a genuine act of good will that those papers were handed in.

    As for all those new parties, I do strongly agree they are no accident. If you want a dead-cert then the UKF is the one to look at. I chat to some of these people and I know what they are like. Total weasels, but that did not appear to work very well either, although we will have to wait until Sunday to see if the polls are right or not. I don’t want to jump the gun and say it has pulled though, only to find the public all voted Tory, but suffice to say all the signs are looking good so far. It’s been a fantastic day for Britain. Socialism has died.

    • Lars says:

      Socialism has died. Fascism has risen.

      • Baron von Lotsov says:

        You might be interested in this:

        “You may have noticed that, in recent weeks, my comment thread has attracted a disproportionate number of posts from BNP trolls. They rarely identify themselves as BNP supporters, at least not at first. But they give themselves away as much by their foul language, rudeness and bellicosity as by their obsession with Muslims and their hatred of David Cameron. It started when I pointed out that the BNP was a party of the far Left, committed to tax rises, nationalisation, external tariffs, the creation of state-run manufacturing industries, workers’ councils to run those industries and (though they tend to keep quiet about this) the abolition of the monarchy. As Hayek demonstrated, fascism is a strain of socialism: the conflict between Nazis and Communists was, he proved beyond reasonable doubt, a dispute between brothers”

        http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/daniel_hannan/blog/2009/06/01/heres_a_clip_especially_for_the_bnp_dunderheads_who_troll_this_blog

        So it’s not only conspiracy theorists who are saying it now, but as arch-eurosceptic Hamman points out it never was anyway. History has been carefully re-written for us. You obviously read the edited version.

  21. David Grpothier says:

    Its really rather sad to see this BB pathetically still going around in circles with no sense of direction.

    Such a waste of space and clearly indicative that there is no real hope for the UK!

    • sharon says:

      Any proposals/suggestions David?

      • David Grothier says:

        Not really, not any longer.

        If the nation did not rise up in open revolt against the criminal conduct of our MPs and Lords, then I am afraid they never will and the evil corrupt system simply goes on while those here keep going around in circles, and not even ever decreasing ones.

    • The Editor says:

      Welcome back David. I’ve missed your positive repartee! ;-)

      • Crush The Talmudic Zionist Serpent says:

        Why do people come on here and waste our time and their time writing negative rhetoric?

        It can be beaten and will be beaten.

        Its not going to be easy and unfortunately there will be a great number of casualties.

        We are already starting to beat them by contributing ideas and information etc. on this site and on many others.

        We have become ‘enlightened ‘and have gained our ‘Third Eye’ but not in the Occultic and Freemasonic sense.

        Even Jesus ‘Be As Wise As Sepents’.

        In the words of the (postive) black rap group Public Enemy:-

        ‘Fight The Power’ and ‘Don’t Believe The Hype’.

        • David Grothier says:

          Why do people only hear what they want to hear? Isnt Brown like that?

  22. olive farmer says:

    The poor sheep are being driven, as usual.
    Nothing in politics happens by accident (even expenses scandals). It is all a well laid and long standing plan thought out by a determined, highly intelligent and manipulative group who hold all the cards. The politicians are just following orders.
    The world is rushing headlong into a series of designed crises that will make this petty debacle meaningless. People celebrating the demise of Labour is a joke to them. It’s a bit like winning a tenner in the bookies and walking outside and getting run over by a bus. A short lived buzz, followed by disaster. They’re driving, and they’re drunk on power.
    Prediction is a difficult game, but I believe the next nine months will be most interesting:
    Israel and Iran at war?
    Pakistan and India stirred into war?
    What price nuclear conflict from that lot?
    Engineered pandemic?
    Global financial collapse?
    Pensions, savings, home values collapsing, repossessions, civil unrest?
    Hunger, homelessness, martial law?
    Further and bigger false flag terror operations?
    Enforced rfid chipping in the US and Europe (to prove you’ve had the mandatory vaccination)?
    European Governments collapsing ,leaving the way clear for the superstate to intervene?
    Anti-government folks getting dragged off in the middle of the night? (Oh Oh!)
    The sheeple will get more and more scared, angrier and angrier at someone they’ve been conned into believing means them harm, accept any and every solution the elite offer them……..
    OR NOT, OR NOT, OR NOT….
    The direction the future takes depends on the actions taken today, and even the best laid plans of vermin aft gang agley (as I think Burns said.)
    The British people are a funny lot. They’ll put up with almost anything for a peaceful life. Hitler thought we were a nation of timid shopkeepers and wouldn’t go to war.
    Big mistake.
    When we set our minds to something and finally stand up to fight, we don’t sit down until it’s finished. The apocalypse is coming, the lifting of the veil. When the British people realise to what extent they have been stuffed and by whom, when they see the traitors in their midst, when they understand the pure evil of these orchestrated plans, I wouldn’t be an Illumined One for all the tea in China. And if we can stop them in the UK……?
    And to all those traitors, with your shared sense of common purpose and your unwarranted smugness, remember please the fate of collaborators throughout history. There is still time for you to cross the road. The future is going to be a better place, a different place. Choose to be a part of it.

    • LIZ says:

      Great post, I concur :-)

    • sharon says:

      I think you maybe right Olive Farmer with respect to the British psyche. My question though: What do we fight with? We are not armed and ‘they’ are.

  23. Revolution Harry says:

    Wonderful words OF. I’m on your side.

    • Crush The Talmudic Zionist Serpent says:

      Harry, I have put some more information about the ridiculous notion of the Jesuits spouted by the blatant anti-Catholic sectarian disinformation agent Robert Newman.

      I’m still waiting for him to address any of my questions. All he has done is written absolute nonsense without backing up any of his claims whatsover.

      The Jesuits control the mass media in Britain!!! Of course they do Robert, I’ll just get my brain out of the washing machine, clip it back in and wait for some for of your ridiculous unsubstantiated disinformation nonesense.

  24. Life says:

    Hi All.

    PS.
    What made this country great was the fact we built a society which allowed us all to exist expressing our better nature, keeping in check our ability to fight. We Blighties can fight all day long, we know it and the world knows it. The trick we have mastered is self control, the ability to master the negative traits in our being.

    It is the Crown and all its sewer rats fast destroying our ability to keep our dark side in check, this is how nations are destroyed…from within.
    Fight we Brits can, but I would not like to take on the American’s, especially angry American’s with a true and just cause.

    The British Crown and its destruction… ‘IS THAT JUST CAUSE’. America and Blighty are in this together, we Brits are the feminine expression today, as they are the mascauline, of the old Nordic bloodlines, the ancient ones of Atlantis, yet only if we have the same aims.

    Holding on to the Crown in Blighty keeps us divided from America, a division that will only grow if we do not get rid of the British Crown, its sickness and its power

    • Life says:

      This post was a secondary post to one removed by editor, this is why it has PS

      • The Editor says:

        Check your email. I’ve asked you to repost on the correct discussion thread. It’d be better if you repost the PS one as well. Thanks.

        • Life says:

          OOOH YEAH!

  25. Life says:

    Sorry these posts only come once….

  26. Crush The Talmudic Zionist Serpent says:

    Lyrics to The Who’s ‘Won’t Get Fooled Again’ sums the situation up perfectly.

    “There’s nothing in the street
    Looks any different to me
    And the slogans are replaced, by-the-bye
    And the parting on the left
    Is now the parting on the right…
    Meet the new boss
    Same as the old boss”

    Brian Gerrish was quite when he stated in his talk at Stoke-On-Trent that a vote for Labour, the Tories or the LibDems won’t result in any change but will result in a continuation of more of the same evil and heinous enslavement of the citizens of Blighty.

    With that in mind lets look at a couple of other parties, the BNP and UKIP. The BNP are led by a corrupt sociopath named Nick Griffin (son of a very high ranking Freemason, he may even be one himself). They are a ‘controlled’ party if ever there was one. There main aim is to stir up trouble with the Moslems that live here. The BNP should be renamed the pro-Israel Anti-Moslem party.

    ‘The BNP website is now one of the most Zionist on the web – it goes further than any of the mainstream parties in its support of Israel’.
    Ruth Smeed of the Board of Deputies of British Jews

    Taken from The Jewish Community Online article on March 12th entitled UKIP leader attacks ‘trendy’ Israel-hate in EU Parliament –

    ‘UKIP opposes calls to suspend the EU’s trade agreements with Israel and is critical of European aid to the Palestinian Authority.

    Mr Farage strongly supports moves by the party’s most senior Jewish figure, its secretary Michael Zuckerman, to establish an active Friends of Israel group.’

    Taken from The Jewish Community Online article on Feberuary 12th entitled UKIP backs Israel –

    ‘Members of the United Kingdom Independence Party are making a fresh attempt to relaunch a Friends of Israel group. Michael Zuckerman, secretary, said: “There is tremendous support for Israel within UKIP.” The planned group had the backing of party leader Nigel Farage and others among their nine MEPs, he said. Mr Zuckerman, a solicitor, said that although attempts to set up a Friends group started a couple of years ago, it had been stillborn.’

    Revealed: Ukip official gave money to the BNP.

    UKIP in embezzlement scandal.

    Ukip leader Nigel Farage boasts of his £2m in expenses.

    Who can forget Ashley Mote MEP jailed for fraud!!!

    ‘SIR – Before anyone takes up the advice that Lord Tebbit has given on radio, not to vote in the European elections for the three main parties, perhaps we should be shown the expenses claimed by MEPs of the minor parties represented at Brussels.

    Two people elected as Ukip MEPs last time have been indicted for fraud.

    Why should a vote for their party serve better than a vote for the major parties? We should boycott the EU elections, since the whole EU system is corrupt.’

    Dr Alan Sked
    London N1
    Letter to the Daily Telegraph

    Craig Mackinlay, ex Vice Chairman UKIP, on internal UKIP elections: “I will not be associated professionally or personally with what has become a perverted and shambolic process. Threats from the Party Chairman . . . merely add to the stink that now surrounds this election.”

    Richard North, ex UKIP Chief Researcher, writing of Farage: “He cannot tolerate anyone in the party who he feels is or might be in a position to challenge him. He prefers to surround himself with incompetents and deadbeats. Anyone who emerges who might show an independent streak, he ruthlessly eliminates, to ensure that they cannot be seen as competition.”

    And again: “(Farage) . . . spends the bulk of his time manoeuvring and scheming to keep himself in the dominant position, while presenting to the world his “boyish charm.”

    Bryan Smalley, Party Secretary for two years, wrote of Farage: “He is dishonest and frequently makes untrue statements.”

    Anthony Scholefield, Party Secretary for three years stated: “A disturbing feature is that Mark Croucher, UKIP Press Officer, shows UKIP members’ details to Communists and Socialist Workers via Searchlight and Unite Against Fascism. Croucher reports to Farage.”

    Anthony Butcher, ex NEC member: “UKIP is now a hindrance to the anti-EU movement.”

    David Abbott, ex NEC member and committed Christian: “Our leader issues an edict that MEP’s wives must not be on the MEP’s payroll. Then he is caught paying his own wife.”

    And again: “These new revelations were on top of all his (ie Farage) more obvious defects including total amorality, bullying, adultery, and drunkenness, vengefulness and lying.”

    Roger Knapman, ex Party Leader and MEP: “UKIP MEP’s met and agreed a statement of practice – first that we would not go on ‘junkets’ to other countries and secondly that we would not employ our wives. This was to prevent us getting dragged into the comfortable EU world that leads to ‘going native’. I am now very worried that this agreement is being ignored and that the attractions of the European Parliament as a career may beckon to some; where the delights of plush new office suites, Brussels titles and internal parliament or IndDem Group politics are more attractive than our original purpose.”

    Robin Page, BBC Presenter: “The party created to fight centralised government, sleaze and corruption has become a mirror image of the body it professes to loathe.”

    Am I supposed to take this party seriously?

    • Life says:

      Hi All.

      The BNP are controlled by B’nai B’rith and administered via the ADL.
      According to Jean Baptiste Jensenns, the Black pope from 1946-1964, the Jesuits control B’nai B’rith.
      Good ere innit…

      • Revolution Harry says:

        Life, I too have my suspicions about the BNP so I’m interested as to what evidence you may have regarding B’nai B’rith’s control of them.

        • Life says:

          Hi H.

          This information I picked up towards the end of my time in the mystery school, it comes via the Fabian’s also, who are Zionist in nature. If you look closely at the history of the BNP, but more importantly its predecessor, the National Front, look at those this order targeted, the football hooligan element, the skinheads of the 70’s and 80’s, working class rascist’s, which put them squarley in the Nazi position, attracted by the regalia of the Nazi’s.

          So the fact the Zionist’s are controlling these groups has to be a very guarded secret indeed, because they are used by the Zionist’s to present the idea of fascist English, which allows the Jewish lobby to push for special treatment by the government for Jews. As you can see over the last 10 years this has worked perfectly.

          Given the above scenario, then the BNP are perhaps one of the most important groups to further the will of the Zionist aristocracy in this nation, that alone should be reason enough for folks to allow the idea of such control of this seemingly anti-Jew group by the Zionist’s.
          As said, given the importance of this connection, it has been imperitive the cat is not let out of the bag, so solid evidence is not forthcoming, however, in a study I made of Searchlight, the supposed opposition to the BNP, I did find a connection, if I can find it I will post the info here.
          Perhaps if you follow the Searchlight trail you may find the info.

      • Revolution Harry says:

        One more question, are you Life of Lifeinthemix fame?

        • Life says:

          Aye…..

      • Crush The Talmudic Zionist Serpent says:

        The Jesuits control B’nai B’rith?

        B’nai B’rith (Constitutional Grand Lodge of the Order of the Sons of the Covenant) is a Jewish only Freemasonic branch set up in 1843 in America and has been used for a straightforward covert intelligence front for the Rothschilds ever since.

        “Freemasonry is a Jewish establishment, whose history, grades, official appointments, passwords, and explanations are Jewish from beginning to end”
        Rabbi Isaac Wise (of B’nai B’rith, quoted in Israelite of America, Aug 3, 1866)

        • Life says:

          Hi All.
          Yes that is the propogated idea, but…:

          Not so well known is the fact that Ignatius Loyola when he approached the Pope to have his order (his order is not absolute, given Loyola was a victim of the Inquisition) confirmed, he did so with trouser leg rolled up and shoe tread down. This was because of a damaged leg via cannon shot.

          And which very well known order uses this symbolism?? Freemasonry.

          If you get to Israel, you will find a rather big Vatican Palace….
          The Zionist’s Jews are of the Khazar race from the Steps of Russia, the race of Attila the Hun. Of course the Imperial bloodlines took his seed, killed him, and from this line we get the Rothschild’s.
          Whichever way one studies these bloodlines, they always have root in the Roman Imperial lines, who of course control them.

  27. cheesy says:

    Hello Life.
    I am intrigued. What do you mean by, “…towards the end of my time in the mystery school..”
    Is that Theosophy?

  28. Life says:

    Hi Cheesy.

    The mystery school is a spiritual journey, full of initiations to ascend beyond the normal run of the mill existence. yes it is all in there, but of course one is initiated based on ones inner reality.
    It is a journey under which the goddess offers you the chance to venture into the underworld to face ones own shadow.

    If one passes the initiations correctly, then one becomes openly aware and in communication with the higher dimemsions, fail and you join the elite sick people.

    All that we are experiencing today globally is the great spirit forcing all man to experience what it has refused to journey for 7000 years.
    All that is false is being destroyed as Pluto the great feminine deconstructs all that is built in capricorn, Religion, state, finance, work.

    So I underwent this journey from 1993 to 2000, and have understood that which man is born to understand.
    Man as a whole is now forced to face all its nonsence, wether you like it or not.
    many will take their own life rather than face their own shadow,many will not make this initiation rite.

    Hi All.

    This will blow your mind….

    The truth is what we are facing today has nothing to do with the elite…what goes here today in the run up to 2012, is the deconstruction of all that is false. It just so happens that everything we hold dear, as truth, is ‘garbage’, with a capital G.

    As Pluto, that ever so graceful female energy careers through Capricorn, which is the house of belief, structure, institution, etc, all these false creations of man are being destroyed.
    (With religion it is man’s un-initiated understanding that is being stripped away, not the real symbolism)

    Man is being forced to do what man is born to do, but has refused to face for 7000 years, man is being forced to journey into the underworld, to face the ‘Dweller on the Threshold under the Kabbalah doctrine, under the Grail symbolism, to meet the ‘Dark knight’, and of course man is thus being forced to face itself, all the warts you refuse to acknowledge.
    It works with the Moon doctrines also, and the Greek legends, but that’s another story.

    Man has projected all that it fears into the world, then bombs it! And you think this ideology can carry through into the next age??? NAAAA God Bless Ya.

    The elite as the shadow creators, the mimickers of the true creation, are presenting the fact they are so powerful they are responsible for all the chaos, thus they can control the chaos, and ensure they become the saviours of man, of course in return we have to allow the creation of their New World Order, which will keep them in power, and like the last 7000 years, they can prevent man from journeying on the spiritual path, keeping this dimension as the gross expression it has become. Each time one refuses to acknowledge the dark side of ones nature, that aspect of your soul splits from your being and walks the other dimension, lost and thus feeds the masters of all that is imbalanced…man feeds the demon in its refusal to accept all its parts.

    As for 2012 and the ritual the elite are creating to incorporate the Ley line grid, the dragon lines, take a look at this :

    http://www.lifeinthemix2.co.uk…..nment.html

    The UK elite do not like this page, they have removed it many times ….

    STOP THE 2012 LONDON OLYMPICS DESTROY THEIR RITUAL OF 7000 YEARS IN THE MAKING

    • Crush The Talmudic Zionist Serpent says:

      Sound like the nonesense Jordan Maxwell, David Icke and Michael Tsarian come out with.

      The Occult, Freemasonry and New Age spring to mind.

      By the way both Maxwell and Tsarion have had their cover blown and have now been exposed as being Freemasons.

    • sharon says:

      Life,
      Tried opening your link but didn’t work. If you can’t provide a link that does work would you explain what is going to happen in 2012. Having checked out the Olympics logo I am suspicious about the event and would not be surprised if something spectacular does happen. So if you know please enlighten us.

      • Rob says:

        hi Sharon
        google ‘lifeinthemix’ top result takes you there. I think it must be the original site, given the link posted has the no. 2 in the address.

        Rob

        • Fremen says:

          I think your right Crush.

          Giant-s pyramids useless public works that devour peoples labour and the evil people human+beings, that taught it and misled people.

          Enoch
          7:11 And they conceiving brought forth giants (Gen. 6:4-6);
          7:12 Whose stature was each three hundred cubits. These devoured all which the labour of men produced; until it became impossible to feed them;
          7:13 So they then turned themselves against men, in order to devour them;
          7:14 And began to injure birds, beasts, reptiles, and fishes, to eat their flesh one after another, and to drink their blood.
          7:15 Then the Earth reproved the unrighteous (by the climate and diseases).

          http://www.lifeinthemix.co.uk/ufo_s_extraterrestri.html

          Anuki, Nephilim ect. Tis a nonsense sorry.

      • wiggins says:

        Just click on Life’s name.

        • Fremen says:

          http://lifeinthemix2.co.uk/

          this is a shorter version of the protocols. With “The Occult, Freemasonry! and New Age spring to mind.” included and not excluded.

          PROTOCOL 1: The Basic Doctrine (Right lies in Might – Politics versus Morals – The End justifies the Means – “Liberty, Equality, Fraternity” – The New Aristocracy).
          PROTOCOL 2: Economic Wars (Routine scientific government – Darwinism, Marxism, Nietzcheism – Press-inculcated mentality).
          PROTOCOL 3: Methods of Conquest (The Symbolic Snake* – “People’s Rights” – Liquidation of the Goyim – “Sovereign Lord of the World” – Universal economic crisis – “Ours they will not touch…” – Secret masonic agents).
          *Genesis 3:14 And the “I AM” God said unto the serpent (Satan), Because thou hast done this, thou [art] cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
          PROTOCOL 4: Materialism Replaces Religion (Stages of a Republic – Gentile masonry a screen – International speculation of industry – Cult of Gold).
          PROTOCOL 5: Despotism & Modern Progress (Centralised Government – Gulfs separating States – Sham eloquence to overcome public opinion – Super-Government Administration).
          “# 7: Nowadays it is more important to disarm the peoples than to lead them into war:”
          PROTOCOL 6: Take-Over Technique (Reservoirs of riches – Destruction of goy aristocracy – Vicious circle of rising prices). Control of property.
          “# 4: …It is essential therefore for us, at whatever cost, to deprive them of their land…”
          PROTOCOL 7: World-Wide Wars (Encouraging an arms race – Universal war to check goy opposition – The guns of America, China and Japan). Planned world wars.
          PROTOCOL 8: Provisional Government (Legal justification for audacity – Super-educational training – Control of bankers, industrialists and capitalists). Control of businesses.
          PROTOCOL 9: Re-Education (Meaning of anti-semitism – Source of the all-engulfing terror – Boosting of false theories). Control of education.
          PROTOCOL 10: Preparing for Power (Camouflaged political freedom – Universal suffrage – The rise of republics – Transition to masonic despotism – Proclamation of the “Lord of all the World” – Inoculation of diseases).
          PROTOCOL 11: The Totalitarian State (The new constitution – Abolition of the rights of man – “Show” army of masonic lodges).
          PROTOCOL 12: Control of the Press (Masonic “freedom” – Control of printing and publishing – Vishnu, idol of the Press). Control of media/publishing/information.
          PROTOCOL 13: Distractions (Daily bread – Recreation centres – The unsuspected plan).
          PROTOCOL 14: Assault on Religion (Destruction of existing religions and substitution of the religion of the Talmud [whilst pretending it to be of Moses] – A new era of slavery – Pornography encouraged in progressive countries).
          PROTOCOL 15: Ruthless Suppression (Simultaneous world revolution – Purpose and direction of masonry – The Chosen People – Dogmatic right of the strong – The King of Israel).
          PROTOCOL 16: Brainwashing (Emasculation of the Universities – Abolition of freedom of instruction).
          PROTOCOL 17: Abuse of Authority (The demoralisation of Justice – Wrecking of the Christian religion – Jewish Patriarch Pope of the universe – Secret police employing public informers).
          PROTOCOL 18: Arrest of Opponents (Measures of secret defence – Undermining authority).
          PROTOCOL 19: Rulers and People (Making use of public petitions – debasing heroism – Martyrdom of sedition-mongers).
          PROTOCOL 20: Financial Programme (Progressive taxation – Stagnant capital – the ruinous Gold Standard). Control of money systems, taxation.
          PROTOCOL 21: Loans and Credit (Bankruptcy – Abolition of money markets).
          PROTOCOL 22: Power of Gold (The secret of what is coming – Mysticism of the new authority and the reverent fear of the people).
          PROTOCOL 23: Instilling Obedience (Cutting down of luxury goods – The supreme lord to replace all existing rulers).
          PROTOCOL 24: Qualities of the Ruler (Selecting and training the seed of David).

    • cheesy says:

      Gordon Bennett!
      Sorry, to busy investigating Common Purpose and Communitarianism to go to Mystery School, or investigate Searchlight, etc. Life’s too short!

  29. Crush The Talmudic Zionist Serpent says:

    Freemasonry is Jewish!!!

    Ignatious Loyola was a crypto-Jew. A crypto-Jew is a Jew who converts to another religion and outwardly embraces the new religion, while secretly maintaining Jewish practices. As John Torell explains: “In 1491 San Ignacio de Loyola was born in the Basque province of Guipuzcoa, Spain. His parents were Marranos and at the time of his birth the family was very wealthy. As a young man he became a member of the Jewish Illuminati order in Spain. As a cover for his crypto Jewish activities, he became very active as a Roman Catholic. On May 20, 1521 Ignatius (as he was now called) was wounded in a battle, and became a semi-cripple. Unable to succeed in the military and political arena, he started a quest for holiness and eventually ended up in Paris where he studied for the priesthood. In 1539 he had moved to Rome where he founded the “JESUIT ORDER,” which was to become the most vile, bloody and persecuting order in the Roman Catholic Church. In 1540, the current Pope Paul III approved the order. At Loyola’s death in 1556 there were more than 1000 members in the Jesuit order, located in a number of nations.”

    Ignatius of Loyola’s secretary, Polanco, was of Jewish descent and was the only person present at Loyola’s deathbed. James Lainez, who succeeded Loyola as the second Jesuit General, was also of Jewish descent. Jews were attracted to the Jesuit order and joined in large numbers. Lacunza was no exception. He was a Jew, which explains why he introduced the eschatological teaching of a return to the Jewish animal sacrifices during the Millennium. (In a book titled The Coming of the Messiah in Glory and Majesty published in 1812, 11 years after the death of its author, Jesuit Emanuel de Lacunza who, wrote under the fictitious pen name of a purportedly converted Jew, Rabbi Juan Josaphat Ben Ezra, in order to conceal his identity and to make his writings more palatable to the Protestant readers. He promoted the writings of sixteenth century Jesuit priest Francisco Ribera, developing a futuristic perspective which restricted the prophetic fulfillments in the book of Revelation to the end of the world). Lacunza also wrote that during a millennium after the tribulation the Jewish animal sacrifices would be reinstated along with the Eucharist (the mass) of the Catholic Church. Lacunza has followed after Jewish fables and replaced the commandments of God with the commandments of men. That doctrine gives the Jews primacy in God’s plan and relegates Christians to a prophetic parenthetical to be supplanted by the Jews during the thousand year earthly reign of Christ.

    The last Black Pope – Kolvonbach – was Jewish, as was the last Pope.

    There have been other Jewish Popes. One of the Medici’s was Pope.

    So it was Jesuits who murdered Jesus?

    They didn’t even come into existence until the mid 16th Century and its been a Jewish set-up from day one. Adam Weishaupt of Illuminati infamy was also Jewish!!!

    The Baal and Mammon worshipping Pharisees and Sadduccees conspired together to have Jesus killed. He warned us about the false-Jews who would say they are Jews but are not (90% of the world’s Jews are of Khaazarian descent and have no biblical lineage whatsoever).

    The parasitical Jewish moneylenders and usureres were thrown out of Britain for their nefarious ways and practices centuries before The Jesuits came into being.
    Oliver Cromwell did a deal with the Jewish usurers of Amsterdam to let them back into the country and we have been kept in perpetual debt-slavery ever since. Our present Royal Family are Jewish.

    • Life says:

      Hi All.

      You should visit the Punjab, they will disagree totlay that jesus was killed.
      Its all symbolism. The Christian teaching, I make a distinction between teaching and fairytale, is far older than even the deluge.

      It is all symbolism of the spiritual journey, symbolic of freeing onself from the control of the DNA and mind soul, bringing them both under the control of the immortal soul.

      What most commentators discuss when looking at occult knowledge, is the shadow meaning to these truths, which the shadow has created.

      The elite are the pinnicle of those beings who failed the spirirtual inititations and because they failed they hate spirit and mock it. Unfortunately this has gone on for so long, man only knows the false teaching in everything.

      But not to worry, Pluto will make everything right, will bring back balance, of course the more man hangs on to that which is false…the more exciting will be the passage.

      Time for man to realise it knows nothing, has followed false doctrines in its laziness, and has created everything that is being destroyed as I write.

      Time to open to ones spirit and let it speak to you on a personal level, anything else is weeing in the wind. Don’t take my word for it, just experience that which is coming and realise how powerful man as he exists today is not.

      MAN HAS BECOME A FALSE EXPRESSION OF REALITY IT HAS TO STOP, IT WILL STOP.

      • sharon says:

        Life,
        Just wanted to say thanks for posting here as it has enabled me to check out your website, which I have to say is very good. What you are proposing is not new to me (although has only recently come to my attention) and does make sense.
        I find the most difficult obstacle is finding out who you are. What I don’t find difficult is acknowledging the bullsh*t which I think I’ve been aware of (to some extent) since I was a teenager. Problem there though is that you then go through life thinking there is something wrong with you because how can everybody else be wrong? I now know it isn’t “everybody else” but it’s still the majority, however, now I know they’ve got it wrong (I say that not in a self righteous way because it ain’t been easy getting to that conclusion and even now it’s not easy to simply not care what they say or think – I’m still working on that one). Anyway, I’ve never been religious but I do now beleive in evil/satanism. I think all of us look for guidance and sometimes people seem to have it more sussed than others, but you are right to say that we are our own god and our own master. This then is our journey to freedom once the de-programming has commenced – not easy but well worth the effort.

    • Life says:

      Hi All.
      I think you miss the point if you feel every ill lies at the feet of the Jews.
      Better to ask why everything is arranged to look like it is the Jews.
      Not every Jewish person is wealthy and pro-Zionist.
      When studying the bloodline links, one has to remember it is the elite of the bloodlines who are active in full knowledge of what they are creating, and then, these elite may not be the people sitting in any particular high level position. I think I said earlier, it is not absolute that ignatius Loyola was himself the master of the Jesuits, the Inquisition dilutes that idea.

      I would head caution if people are taking their info on the Jesuits, only from Eric Phelps. He is the Puritan fire and brimstone hell bent on ensuring the Catholic people, not institution, and the Protestant people, remain suspicious, enough to prevent a coming together in the Western Christian nations against the elite.
      I feel he is the Cromwell of his time, aimed at influencing the American’s.

      Whatever an individual’s spiritual mythology, we have been brought up under a Christian doctrine as a people, and i loved the 1980’s,…. So we got something right, even if only for a brief period.

      • Life says:

        Hi Sharon.

        The above post is for Zionist Serpent.

        • Fremen says:

          “Whatever an individual’s spiritual mythology, we have been brought up under a Christian doctrine as a people, and i loved the 1980’s,…. So we got something right, even if only for a brief period.”

          Gandhi said “If Britain and America were truly! Christian the whole world would be by now”

          I would think one of the worst things that the NWO self acclaimed elite would fear is Jews, Christians, and Muslims realising the truth and getting together. Perhaps as like any other people, they have some fear and would rather go along with and/or hedge their bets so to speak with the self acclaimed elite.

          In all three Books it says to fulfil the Covenant, Laws, The perfect Constitution.

    • greg says:

      Crush theTalmudic Zionists serpent

      A crypto-jew is a person from another faith pretending to be jewish, not the other way around.

      The more I read your posts the more clear your agenda becomes.

      FFS. The Council of Trent. Look it up.

  30. Fremen says:

    “You should visit the Punjab, they will disagree totlay that jesus was killed.”

    Koran
    4:156. That they rejected Faith; that they uttered against Mary a grave false charge;
    4:157. That they said (in boast), “We killed Christ the son of Mary, the Messenger of God”;- but they killed Christ not, nor crucified Christ, but so it was made to appear to them (as they crucified the human body called Jesus, that Christ the spirit-Being used), and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) Knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed Christ not:-

    • Fremen says:

      4:158. Nay, God raised him up unto Himself and God is Exalted in Power, and in Wisdom;-
      4:159. And, of the People of the Book, they all must believe him (Christ) before their death; and on the Day of Judgment he will be a witness against them (and you) (Surah 43:61);-
      4:160. For the iniquity of the Jews We made unlawful for them certain (foods) good and wholesome which had been lawful for them;- because they hindered many from God’s Way;-
      4:161. In that they took usury, though they were forbidden; and that they devoured men’s substance wrongfully;-

  31. David Grothier says:

    Jezz you guys make me want to puke. Same old crap and round and round we go in pepertuity

    Think of the words of freeman above, then of the 2000 odd years of slaughter in the name of religion, no matter what creed it belongs to.

    Once you have that perspective clearly in hand, you may still have the stomach left to confront the immediate problems we all face today!

    • The Editor says:

      David,

      Please tone it down a bit.

      Why don’t you tell us what you’ve been up to since you were last here? Or are you just here to vent your spleen?

  32. David Grothier says:

    Tone it down a bit?? Are you nuts, you cant get much lower that what you have here.

    f you as editor cant see that the time for sceaming on top of you voice over the continued insults to the people of this nation is long over due, then what is thepoint of this UK Coloumn?

    There has been far too much wasted air here in the past and in the year, or thereabouts, that I walked away from this web site, since then nothing has been accomplished and the nation is deeper in the mire than ever before.

    I trust you are all proud of your achievements.

    If you dont like what I have to say simply ask me not to post.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90ELleCQvew&feature=related

    • The Editor says:

      So we’ve established you’re as mad as hell. So are we all. What have YOU actually done about it?

      Just so that you understand the situation, David, I am living with no income. My savings are almost gone. I have been out of my profession for over a year working more than full time on this site, cpexposed.com, thebcgroup.org.uk, helping organise the conferences, helping get people organised to fight back. So I’m going to find it damn hard to get a new job when I do run out of money. I am not entitled to benefits, by the way, because I left my last job voluntarily.

      I was and am prepared to put my livelihood on the line for this fight. What have YOU done, other than whine and complain?

      If you have an answer to that question, I will sit here impressed and ashamed that I haven’t done more.

      If you’re just here to slag people off, and have nothing constructive to contribute, then yes, please don’t bother posting any more. I don’t know why you’re bothering anyway, since the folks here clearly annoy you so much.

      • Revolution Harry says:

        Just wanted to say thanks for defending the commenters on this site. It may appear as if ‘we’re going round in circles’ but I don’t think that’s true. The scope of what we are facing is vast and I think this site is proving to be an excellent place to share ideas and discuss different opinions. At the same time there is an attempt to ‘do something about it’ in the form of the coming conference this weekend. More power to you and all the others involved.

        As an aside, I too am presently unemployed and rather than attempt to make life a little easier I can see no further forward that setting up my own blog and trying to do my own bit in the ‘resistance’. As part of that I will certainly be linking into the efforts of the BCG.

        David, I can understand your anger and frustration but some more constructive criticism delivered in measured tones would be welcome.

      • David Grpothier says:

        Life is a constant fight, so please dont give me your hard luck story. I took the precaution to provide for hard times years ago.

        I dont need to blow my own trumpet either.

        What I have done, well not stopped hounding Brown since 2004, started a press campaign(lobbying the individual newspapers) to expose MPs when they refused to openly declare their expenses last year.

        Had a face to face with my MP and called him a lying twat and told him that he should go.

        Challanged both the IPPC and the CPS for being evil and corrupt and applying a delective application of justice such as it is.

        And right now trying my very best to get the revulution going.

        Of course there is more, but talking about such things achives nowt. I will leave that to you lot here and will not post again.

        I will though be now joining the BNP.

        However all that said I trust you may be able to pick up on most of the pretty usleless debate on the UK Column over the last year.

        If you cant see that its now way past debate time, then you all deserve what you get.

        Over and out!

        • Crush The Talmudic Zionist Serpent says:

          You are joining the BNP!!!

          And your hoping to to achieve something by joining a party that’s led by the corrupt Freemasonic sociopath Nick Griffin and his sidekick the Jewish paedophile Mark Collett.

          ‘The BNP website is now one of the most Zionist on the web – it goes further than any of the mainstream parties in its support of Israel’.
          Ruth Smeed of the Board of Deputies of British Jews

          PS YOU WON’T BE MISSED

          • David Grpothier says:

            There is a difference in being missed and wanting out. I have watch this BB and others go around in circles for a number of years.

            It does so mainly as most of those here just want to see their posts on the net and have not real interest in the long term future of the UK, Just like Nu Labour they pamper to themselves.

            The time is long passed for us all to stand up to be counted-

            I don’t think your comments on the BNP are correct, paranoid and biased yes, but correct no as you can back up what you claim with hard prove. Like most of the junk here its all a personal supposition.

            The BNP for all its sins, and there are many, is a party on the move and gaining strength.

            I don’t seek a political career, so those of you who oppose the BNP could well be grateful for that. However, my polices and determination to put Britain back on track and to prosecute all those who have undemocratically brought the nation to this dreadful state are well known.

            I feel I have stood bye for long enough and watched the rot turn into a serious cancer. Cancer as you know has to be cut away and disposed of followed with a harsh regime of treatment applied if the patient is to survive. The same is so of the UK.

            The right wing is rising throughout Europe and its directly as a result of those indolent bastards of politicians who have abused our democracy.

            What goes around comes around and lands firmly on the heads of those that let it be so!

  33. mick Ex-pat says:

    I have sent a few E-mails to sky, and telegrapth, and the mail, but it would seem they do not wish to publish my thoughts on Political reform.

    My idea was that all politcal partys be disbanded, and that applicants who desire this high
    office go through the country presenting themselves to the electorate and presenting their
    ideas of how they would serve this country if voted in they would be given a fixed term of only
    (5) Five years.They then would be able to pick the best heads and people who are not their
    for for what they can get of whicth there are a but a few. what ever they would want to do would be looked at by the Elected commision consisting of members of the Public and
    MPs who would have that right to throw it out or ammend the said item.

    It is my Opionion that these political party see saw be put to an End.

  34. Baron von Lotsov says:

    Did everyone have a fun time last night watching the Nu Labour execution? All I really wanted was for the UKIP to come second, and they did, and watching the BNP take a couple of seats from them was fun as well, especially the lunatics outside the Manchester Town Hall.

    It seem that those two seats are having a greater impact than the fact they were beaten by a “fringe party”, to use the BBC’s terminology. Now we seem to have rather a lot of resignations going on at the moment, and with any luck they will first of all kick Brown out, then we will have a general election, Cameron will get in and then there will be an almighty pressure for him to call a referendum on the constitution. I guess that will just about appease the masses for the time being. Anyway, for all you doubters, I think last night was certainly progress. They can’t keep this sham up for much longer.

    • wiggins says:

      I think ‘my Lord’ Mandypandy might have other ideas Baron.

      • Life says:

        Mandy Pandy…I like it..

    • cheesy says:

      Progress indeed, and about time too!

  35. Baron von Lotsov says:

    It seems so, going by the latest stop-press news. The 50 signatures required have not materialised, after Brown and his thugs warned they would most likely loose their jobs because a general election would have to be called. OK that’s fine by me. We will just have to wait a bit longer.

    They have a choice, and that is they can switch leader and get a bit of a boost during the ‘honeymoon period’ (usually less than six months) or they could stick with Brown. However the voters won’t thank them for it and Brown is best placed to loose the Labour Party the greatest number of seats. They are putting off the inevitable, but if they do that the end will be so dire for the party that it will cease to be entirely. They are damned if they do and damned if they don’t.

  36. living in dread says:

    Having trouble posting this, ?

    Hi again folks , re my last post,05/06/09 can i give you an update/summary on the Swine/Avian flu Pandemic.
    I started to research it a good while ago, when my partner , who works for the NHS started her intensive training for the predicted flu pandemic, LAST year,yes LAST year, when asked, how can you predict the pandemic, she was told “ we know “ simple as that, they were told there will be a possibility of a pandemic early 2009 but it will most likely fizzle out, but it WILL be back with a vengeance the back end of 2009.They are predicting massive loss of live, worse than the 1918 Spanish flu pandemic, the NHS will be totally overwhelmed, there is a contingency plan in place to use refrigerated warehouses or containers to store the dead, just google “NHS to use refrigerated storage during flu pandemic”, It has being confirmed, in 2006, officials ordered millions of extra body bags as a precaution. Staff were told, yes we’ve got anti virals like Tamiflu, and there will be a vaccine late 2009, however there is no guarantee they will work, oh, and they were also told to keep quiet about it so as not to cause any public alarm, can you imagine being told that within a year, you, your family and loved ones may die because of a flu pandemic, the front line staff have being told they are most at risk.
    Now, shall we see how the story unfolds, here are some rather interesting links for you to look at.
    _________________________________________________________________
    02 Jul 2008
    Homeless people die after bird flu vaccine trial in Poland
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/poland/2235676/Homeless-people-die-after-bird-flu-vaccine-trial-in-Poland.html
    ____________________________________________________________________
    March 03, 2009
    Vaccines as Biological Weapons? Live Avian Flu Virus Placed in Baxter Vaccine Materials Sent to 18 Countries
    http://www.naturalnews.com/025760.html
    ___________________________________________________________________
    Mrch 22 , 2009
    Times: UK population must be cut to 30m says Gordon Brown’s adviser *
    The Sunday Times
    http://www.wiseupjournal.com/?p=841

    By Jonathan Leake and Brendan Montague
    UK population must fall to 30m, says Porritt
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article5950442.ece
    ____________________________________________________________________
    March 29,2009
    Mexico confirms ONLY 7 deaths due to ’swine’ flu which is really the bird flu *
    http://www.wiseupjournal.com/?p=898
    _________________________________________________________________
    April 27, 2009
    Baxter To Develop Swine Flu Vaccine Despite Bird Flu Scandal
    http://www.prisonplanet.com/baxter-to-develop-swine-flu-vaccine-despite-bird-flu-scandal.html
    _________________________________________________________________
    April 30 2009
    Researchers Question Nature, Cause and Treatment of “Swine Flu” Outbreak
    http://www.prlog.org/10227817-researchers-question-nature-cause-and-treatment-of-swine-flu-outbreak.html
    _____________________________________________________________________
    May 01,2009
    It was confirmed in 2006 that officials have ordered millions of extra body bags as a precaution.
    Swine Flu: Inflatable mortuaries and ‘express’ funerals planned for flu pandemic
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/swine-flu/5257719/Swine-Flu-Inflatable-mortuaries-and-express-funerals-planned-for-flu-pandemic.html
    _____________________________________________________________________
    June 3, 2009
    Mandatory Swine Flu Vaccines – Untested, Unsafe and Unnecessary

    http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?cat=18
    ________________________________________________________________

    I could have included hundreds more links/articles, please do take the time to look at the above. This is the Global Elite`s plan for you, your family and loved ones, well that’s my opinion, but what do i know, i`m just a simple ex squadie.

    Message to the Editor, if this posting is on the wrong message board or you are not happy with it , please feel free to use your discretion and take the appropriate action.
    Regards LID

    • wiggins says:

      Porritt says that the Uk population needs to be drastically cut by 30 million to bring to the population of Victorian times. Can he and the goverment explain why we have ‘open borders’ allowing unfettered immigration into this small Isle?

      • sharon says:

        Apparantly Britain is going into lockdown this year (no entry/no exit). Just been listening to Alex Jones interview with Alan Watt and Alex said he’d love to meet up with Alan but was aware that non-essential travel was soon to be banned. We’ll know soon enough if that’s correct.

  37. Life says:

    Hi All
    LID, Stand too soldier, living in dread is not a soldiers way…

    ‘FIGHT’

  38. sharon says:

    Any of you read the Guardian? Interesting story about the British Empire and even a mention of Rothschild!

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jun/08/british-empire-colonies-banks-reform

  39. Life says:

    Hi All.

    Interestingly I rang the Green Party and asked what porritt meant by his decleration that we need to reduce by 30 million.
    Bizzare to say the least was the conversation, as I was told it was only a figure of speech based on what is being talked about at high level.
    I assured the chap, Porritt sounded very serious about his brainwave.

    I suggested it played into their headliner, as it relates to the release of CO2…by cattle….and the trees and nature….. and that the fact we are all social security numbers, assetts of the corporation, that very soon we the people would be classed as the biggest release of CO2, in our out breath and the energy we use.

    Flummexed as he was and faultering….his supervisor took the phone and said :
    ” We are not the green party…we no longer wish to continue this converstaion”…and hung up.

    This was the carlisle office.

    What a fab bunch of people the Greens…tell me how I join!!! They need sorting out!

    • Crush The Talmudic Zionist Serpent says:

      The hierarchy of the Green/Environmentlist movement are proponents of a Socialist Marxist agenda to seize all of the nation’s private lands and end property rights forever. As a well as this they are followers of a Malthusian de-population agenda to wipe out 9/10ths of the world’s population through chemtrails, disease, famine, man-made viruses, abortion, contraception and numerous others heinous concepts.

      Look what Prince Philip has to say on the matter:-

      “If I were reincarnated I would wish to be returned to earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels.”
      - Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh,
      patron of the World Wildlife Fund

      These Greens obviously don’t realise and/or accept the fact that Global Warming is a proven hoax – Al Gore’s film got ripped to shreds.

      “It would seem that men and women need a common motivation, namely a common adversary, to organize and act together in the vacuum such as motivation seemed to have ceased to exist or have yet to be found. The need for enemies seems to be a common historical factor…Bring the divided nation together to face an outside enemy, either a real one or else one INVENTED for the purpose…

      Democracy will be made to seem responsible for the lagging economy, the scarcity and uncertainties. The very concept of democracy could then be brought into question and allow for the seizure of power.

      In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. The real enemy [of the elites and their minions] then is humanity itself.”
      - “The First Global Revolution” (1991) published by the Club of Rome.

      CO2, rather than damaging the planet is actually good for it. Trees, plants and vegetation etc. thrive on it – that’s why they want to cut the ‘emissions’ so they will die in huge numbers and subsequently so will we.

      • Fremen says:

        “CO2, rather than damaging the planet is actually good for it. Trees, plants and vegetation etc. thrive on it – that’s why they want to cut the ‘emissions’ so they will die in huge numbers and subsequently so will we.”

        I think you will find Crush what they/we have been cutting is Trees, plants and vegetation etc.

        Club of Rome
        “In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill”

        So more (industrial) CO2 would be an effective weapon for them against us. And a loaded gun. Along with all the other pollution (gas,oil drugs) ect. It dosent take much for Crop failure and with closed ? political boundries its a deadly mix.

        • Life says:

          Crush The T and Freman.

          I couldn’t agree more!

    • Baron von Lotsov says:

      Are you sure they said that? If you rang the Green Party and some supervisor said, “We are not the Green Party” then whom the hell were you actually speaking to? Some government department or something? It would not surprise me in the least to be honest, but you sometimes only get the truth when these wretched spinners are under a certain level of psychological stress. Indeed that’s my standard way of getting the truth out of them. Could it have been a slip of the tongue? It seems an odd thing to say.

  40. Baron von Lotsov says:

    By the way, talking of change, since this is what the thread is about, we have the latest Brown nightmare here:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1191898/Would-buy-constitution-man-Brown-pledges-rebuild-Britains-democracy-signals-end-past-post-polls.html

    I can’t believe this. That man wants to change our entire constitution and introduce PR to make our system more democratic! Was this why we had the MPs’ expenses racket? Is someone plotting the destruction of our democracy in front of our eyes, to take us into the NWO. It looks very much like it.

    • wiggins says:

      The reason he wants PR – he never wanted it in the previous 12 years – is because he knows the Nu -labour project is stuffed, and PR is his only way of saving the Party getting obliterated.

  41. Life says:

    Hi Baron.

    That is exactly what he said, and after I had been on the phone for a good half hour to the previous chap.
    There was a lot more discussed which gave me quite an insight into those who act politic….they a bit thick!

  42. Life says:

    Hi All.

    I think what one should consider in the Brown saga, is the fact he will not let go of power, of course this is not Brown holding onto power, it is the Crown ensuring he stays in power to put through whatever it is they need to put in to give Cameron some kind of ‘excuse’, or means to a certain action when he gets in…

    They need Brown to remain in power for some reason….

  43. Baron von Lotsov says:

    The last I heard was the powers that be, i.e. the Foreign Office and general Whitehall diplomatic services, were panicking that Cameron is too eurosceptic. One of their main concerns was him pulling out of the EPP, and if you think a European People’s Party is centre-right as the BBC tells you then you might as well join Labour!

    It seems Cameron has been influenced by the electoral threat of the UKIP, and I think this is one reason he pulled out; indeed it was a very reluctant act for him to do so. I do genuinely feel the Tories have made the right move here and I suppose it is the very first step towards our exit from the EU. More will obviously follow when the constitution business comes up for review. I think this is the crux of the matter, and Cameron is not naturally so europhile, it is more a case he has been told to be. The struggle continues, but we are making headway on the EU issue, although I guess this is why we see desperation on the part of the elite.

  44. sharon says:

    Looks like the EU are gaining control of the City of London.

    …. There is widespread suspicion that Paris and its allies have seized on the financial crisis to rein in Anglo-Saxon capitalism and impose their Colbertiste ideology on the City. ….

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/5488163/Britain-isolated-as-EU-tightens-grip-on-City.html

  45. Baron von Lotsov says:

    The City of London is the thing that keeps our country solvent. For the EU to control it is a deliberate act of seizing the business that Britain does best. It is about 10% of our GDP.

    Here is a short summary of what it does and how well it has been doing:

    “With London continuing to hold the top spot as the world’s most important international financial centre, ahead of New York City, the financial sector services have emerged as the largest exporting item for the UK.
    While New York sources a large volume of business from its domestic market, London has the largest share of international financial markets. In fact banking has been the single largest contributor to the UK export basket, with net exports totalling £12.2 billion, followed by insurance with £3.5 billion and securities dealing with £3 billion.
    The financial sector is also the largest contributor to the UK’s balance of payments and the major contributor to GDP and employment. Within the UK, the importance of London is core to its international position but other cities such as Edinburgh, Glasgow, Leeds, Manchester, Birmingham and Bristol are also emerging as important financial centres.
    In all segments, including cross border lending, foreign equities turn over, foreign exchange turnover, exchange traded derivatives turnover, over-the-counter derivatives turnover, marine insurance net premium income, international bonds, fund management, hedge funds, private equity and IPO, London holds the largest share.
    Financial services share of GDP has risen strongly in recent years to reach 9.4% in 2006 from 5.5% in 2001. Professional services closely connected with the financial sector, namely accounting services, legal services and management consultancy have added a further 3.6%. “

    http://www.financialexpress.com/news/UKs-financial-services-share-rises-to-9.4-of-GDP-in-06/256893/

  46. Life says:

    mmmm

    • wiggins says:

      It would appear – despite Brown’s denials – that the City of London Corporation is now effectively French owned. Another nail in the coffin of England.

  47. Fremen says:

    666: Man first, last and every thing in-between. humanism and materialism, with nothing spiritual.

    Jungian psychology ect.

    Hitler wanted to create a human master-race, instead of spiritual-Beings in control of their human bodies.

    The reversal of the teaching – thus anti-Christ.

    For a very few so far the times are changing “summer”

    Isaiah chapter 33 verse 19 “Thou shalt not see a fierce people, a people of a deeper speech than thou canst perceive; of a ridiculous (weird sounding) way of talking [The Truth], [that thou (the majority who believe they are human) can] not understand.”

    If you find and then tell people the TRUTH and that they themselves are not really human but are spirit-Beings, who are locked inside of human-animal bodies that they have to take control of and whose selfish animal-instincts they have to overcome, in order to teach themselves (the Being) not to be selfish either, most people will say that you are WEIRD and that you are talking ridiculously (even though it is TRUE), in fulfillment of the above Prophecy.

  48. Enufs Enuf says:

    Ephesians 6:12 (KJV)

    “For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.”

    Barry Soetoro was ‘inaugurated’ facing the shaft of Baal, the Washington Monument.
    Baal aka Satan is the ‘god of this world’ who offered Jesus the chance to rule in his place if Jesus would bow down and worship him. Jesus refused, as we should do, to bow down to Satanic/Luciferian forces running the show fronted by what we believe are “politicians”, heads of state; so called ‘religious leaders’ and anyone else who claims to be ‘wise’ – but only offers us lies…

    The sad truth is that the only person you can really trust is yourself, however, after you conquer your own ego, which is Satan’s favourite tool in the manipulation of humanity, you can begin to recognise and trust others who have also conquered and learned to control their ego too.

    Sadly, we have all been brought up intentionally in an ego-driven, Luciferian/Satanic/Antichrist system to purely function from ‘the ego’ pov and in the ‘material’ world. I guess the old saying: “Life begins at 40″ is yet another trick so that we don’t really question our ‘reality’ until then…however, some of us ‘know/knew’ well before we were 40!

    Barry and his duped worshippers around the world are functioning ‘from the ego’ which is inauthentic living, the same applies to the ongoing bizarre ‘doings’ of so called ‘democratic’ governments/corporations etc which cause murder and mayhem wherever they are.

    If the world functioned authentically, as it was always meant to be (imo, of course) then there would be no suffering; torture; war; poverty; FEAR as people would ‘get it’ – that ‘the ego’ can be seen as the ‘devil within’ which needs to be ‘overcome’ and hence, controlled.

    “The Kingdom of God is within you” – I guess describes life ‘AE’ – After-the-Ego when one can finally be ‘at peace’ in your own heart, ‘know’ The Truth about the world and hence have discernment towards creating authentic living for yourself, family and hopefully the wider world.

    I hadn’t realised that ‘Freeman’ was at the conference, I really wish I could have been there. I’ve been following his work for several years and he’s not alone with his ideas of who, or what, Barry/Barak really is…

    Here are some great mp3’s on Barry and the ‘agenda’ from Freeman which I highly recommend:
    http://thefreemanperspective.blogspot.com/

    Even if Barry/Obama isn’t the actual ‘Antichrist’, he has to be a front runner! His photo op at Giza yesterday was a highly suspicious imo…playing up to his superstar role as ‘The New Tutankhamen’!!! You couldn’t make all this up – but someone obviously does!!

  49. sharon says:

    Maybe it’s not pure gold. I hear a lot of gold has been mixed with lead. But yeah, wouldn’t be surprised if the good gold has been sold off and they’re now sitting with unpure gold pretending they still have some reserves of the good stuff.

  50. The Editor says:

    Its nothing to do with disagreement. This is not the kind of rubbish I want to see here, that’s all. There are plenty of other forums for it, so please take it elsewhere.

    Having said that, you are not banned, so if you wish to have a reasoned, rational discussion on the subject of the article, then you are welcome to do so.

  51. Revolution Harry says:

    Stick around Glenn, your perspective is valuable. As you can see above you haven’t been banned. It’s probably only fair to request that we stick as closely as possible to the subject of the article.

  52. Crush The Talmudic Zionist Serpent says:

    Fascism, National Socialism and Communism are all Collectivist State worshipping ideoligies and philsophies that are variants of authoritarian Socialism.

    Mussolini had been an avid Marxist all his life and only split with them over whether Italy should enter WWI or not.

    “The Socialist party reaffirms its eternal faith in the future of the Workers’ International, destined to bloom again, greater and stronger, from the blood and conflagration of peoples. It is in the name of the International and of Socialism that we invite you, proletarians of Italy, to uphold your unshakeable opposition to war”.

    If you read The Manifesto of the Fascist Struggle, published in The People of Italy on June 6, 1919 you will see it is littered with Socilaist ideas and reasoning.

  53. Crush The Talmudic Zionist Serpent says:

    ‘The BNP for all its sins, and there are many, is a party on the move and gaining strength.’

    Its also pro-Israel. You know the one. Yeah that’s right the illegal racist supremacist Satanic Marxist Zionist entity that came into being as a result of the Rothschilds planned and executed WWII.

    There is no such thing as right and left wing there is only right and wrong, good and bad.

    Fascism and National Socialism are both Collectivist state worshipping ideologies and philosophies that are variants of authoritarian Socialism.

  54. The Editor says:

    And yet you want out so much that you keep on commenting. Interesting.

    Seriously David, I don’t want you to leave. I didn’t want you to leave the last time because I thought your perspective was valuable.

    If the conversation is circular, then do something to take it in another direction. Don’t just come here and tell everyone they are a bunch of arses. That doesn’t help, and its frankly frustrating.

    By the way, another of the advantages of moving to proper discussion forums is the ability to ignore people. You can choose not to see their posts if you don’t want to.

    Setting aside any anti-BNP propaganda for a second, I’m not convinced the BNP is any different to any other political party, by the way. If we are to have a Parliament, it should not be based on party politics. Block voting based on a party whip is not democratic.

    Also, their energy policies are insane. Any party that tows the global warming line isn’t thinking straight.

  55. Crush The Talmudic Zionist Serpent says:

    ‘Anti-BNP propaganda.’

    They are pro-Israel FACTAMUNDO!!!

    The same Israel that has nuclear weapons pointed at every European capital – ‘THE SAMSON OPTION’.

  56. David Grpothier says:

    Only a fool would chose to ignore the shear weight of ignorant self interest here on this BB as it must be indicative of the greater proportion of the intelligence of many in the UK which is clearly why we are in the mess we are.

    As for being pro Israel, who really cares, that’s a 5000 year old problem, and certainly we in one short life time wont change that situation.

    Besides God was pro Israel was he not. And was it not Ariel Sharon who said that the fight with Palestine will be won as God is with us still

    So if the BNP is in fact pro Israel then that put them on the side of God and that cant be bad as all we Christians want to do is to reject Him. Again another pointer as to why Britain is in the state that we find it today.

  57. The Editor says:

    Misunderstanding, sorry – I wasn’t referring to you. We posted about the same time. I was speaking about the anti-BNP propaganda in the media generally.

  58. The Editor says:

    Your perspective has changed, I see. Maybe I was hasty with my previous comment.

    David, if you refuse to be a bit more positive, please leave. You go on about circular discussion. Yours seems as circular as it gets.

  59. Fremen says:

    “Besides God was pro Israel was he not. And was it not Ariel Sharon who said that the fight with Palestine will be won as God is with us still”

    David, they are zionist counterfeit israel that have been ploting the NWO for thousands of years for themselves alone. Rather than for all people via God’s Covenant, Laws. Also the true Israel people have had their true identity hidden from them and should be Gods demonstration people and not a master race.

  60. David Grpothier says:

    Always looking for the out arnt we!!!!

    At least be honest with yourself.

    One minute you claim I have changed perspective, which of course is right. However, the next I am supposedly as circular as the UK Column subscribers.

    Now which is it?

    As editior here surely you must see that UK column is about the best verbal recycling web site on the net as all here go on and and on over the same old stuff.

    Our Future is tomorrow, not yesterday.

    The future you can mould, yesterday is dead and gone.

    Earlier a search for the UK Column came up with Troll on Wikipedia perhaps someone else is as Peed off with you as I am.