Unless one has experienced the peak of Freemasonry and many other orders, something John you quite frankly have not, Then one should cease in dictating to all in how to understand the said orders, no offence intended just advise from an old aristocrat who has experienced such high levels of power. Thus far in studying your site, the most experienced mind to post here has without any doubt been the information placed before you by the person named Life, could you please send me any contact details for this person if you have them.

That is not disputed. What is disputed is that membership of the masons, or other secret society necessarily means that one is working for the “dark side”.

For example, Ben Franklin was indeed a mason, otherwise how would he have had access to the higher levels of British intelligence, and thus able to understand the enemy and fight a successful revolution against them.

It seems obvious enough that successful counterintelligence operations require infiltration.

The correct way to study history is to study what men actually said and did, not what misinformed populist gossip says about them.

None of Life’s posts has been removed.

Regards,

Mike.

I will leave Mike, the editor, to comment as to whether any posts have been removed. I am certainly not aware of it, and have not asked that this be done.

Life has chosen to take himself off elsewhere and that is his decision.

I have dealt with his “valid points” on several occasions and if you have not understood the basis of my refutation of his claims then there is little else I can say that will help you.

It has been a while since i was here but i notice many of Life’s posts have been removed. Why?
I also notice those that are remaining leave out the valid points made about Mr Larouche’s choice of heroic figures. Why is this so?
Thanks

If we can sound off about Brown, Cameron, Clegg and Farage, describing their bad points then perhaps we could all see the problems with a fresh viewpoint.

I think Brown’s faults are shouting from the rooftops but what about the other 3 ?

The last thing I wish to do is to appear disrespectful of you own views which you are perfectly entitled to hold. My vote has to be earned and my refusal to commit it to one of our existing Political Parties Is not, as you suggest, the waste of a vote but a reflection of my lack of confidence in the Political system. Rather than policies being framed from the ‘grassroots up’ they are imposed by the ‘top down’. This applies across all the Political Parties including UKIP.

I maintain that the EU Parliament is ulawful because it conflicts with the constitutional principle that we are not to be ruled by a foreign power. This is enshrined within the Coronation Oath, Ministerial Oaths and Judicial Oaths. It is also buttressed by the Declaration of rights.

In relation to the TEU (Masstricht Treaty) this gave rise to the introduction of EU Citizenship. Citizenship bestows rights and duties on each and every one of us including the Queen. None of us ever consented to this.

Far from nor caring who wins I very much care that the British People are currently subject to a system of Governmance where the usual checks, balances and legal principles appear to have been deliberately dismantled. For example, in British law a man is presumed innocent until guilt is established. In the EU ‘corpus juris’ system a man is presumed guilty and must prove his innocence against the combined machinery of the state.

I have carefully followed many of the debates in relation to the European issue. Never have truer words been spoken than the following

“The past 10 years have also seen a massive increase in EU law that becomes UK law without it ever having passed through Parliament, as statute or statutory instrument.

Let us be absolutely clear: these were laws passed by the Commission and the Council of Ministers and became UK law without being seen by either the other place or this House. To this annual cascade of imposed legislation we must add all the directives, which are transposed into UK law by Parliament—not that Parliament has anything at all to do with the process, except to reach for the rubber stamp. …………

Not a word, not a syllable, not a comma can be changed by our elected Parliament or this House—what some of us were pleased to call the Mother of Parliaments, which is now more the Zimmer of Parliaments. We may amuse ourselves by sounding off about them and passing harmless time discussing these regulations, but it makes no difference. I have to ask: are we really content with this? Are we really content that a majority of our laws are not only untouchable by Parliament but are not even seen by Parliament? Is that what we have come to? If so, why do we need so many highly paid MPs? Never have so few done so little for so much”.

Lord Willoughby de Broke

I seem to recall that Lord de Broke is a UKIP peer. Whils his words certainly ring true they still do not convince me that Nigel Farage is the person on the ‘white charger’ that the majority of freedom loving Brits are seeking.

Between now and the next elections I propose to ‘listen and learn’.

With respect, the European Parliament is NOT unlawful. It may well be a complete waste of time, but that’s another matter. The EU Parliament merely rubberstamps what they are told by the European Commission and, of course, our own parliament also rubber-stamps all legislation, Directives and Regulations emanating from Brussels.

On average, only around 50% of the voters ever bother to vote, so to get a 38% turnout for the 2004 European Parliament election, was almost a success !!

By NOT voting Welsh Messenger really shows that he doesn’t really care who wins !

No political party is perfect, of course, but at least UKIP is the only party determined to withdraw from the EU (excluding the BNP). You may say that UKIP will never get anywhere but if we adopted that attitude in WW2 we would all be under the jackboot !

Welsh Messenger should reconsider his views on TACTICS and refusing to vote is, witth the greatest of respect, NOT a tactic – it is a waste of a vote !

“I believe that, with great respect, “Welsh Messenger” may have missed the point”.

Had UKIP been destined to make a political breakthrough I believe that they would have already done so by now. For your information I choose not to vote for any of the Political parties because in order to gain power they are all prepared to breach their manifesto pledges.

In relation to the EU Parliament I note that

“In 1999, turnout in the UK was the lowest in Europe at 24%. In 2004 it stood at
38.2%”. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/vote2004/euro_uk/html/front.stm
This is hardly a ringing endorsement for the institution known as the European Parliament.

In a democracy who represents the voice of the 61.8% who did not vote? The non-voter is in the majority. If we look to the opinion of the EU Political elite they claim that the Irish ‘No Vote’ cannot stall the Lisbon Treaty ratification process because to do so would undermine the democratic will of the other 450 million Europeans. Complete nonsense because he rest of us weren’t allowed a vote at all..

They may enjoy power but until such time as the Lisbon Treaty is endorsed by a majority of the EU voters by referendum they cannot enjoy legitimacy. Under such circumstances I would never vote for the candidate of any party standing for an unlawful assembly.

Mr. Clarke is a dyed-in-the-wool Euro Fanatic and also a Bilderberger ! How can you trust a man like him ?
And yet David Cameron, so I hear, is considering giving him a “big job” if the Tories form the next government. Work that one out ! Minister for Europe ??

People must vote with their conscience. The writing on the wall is writ in Very Large Letters. Do nothing and face the dreadful consequences. You owe it to your children and their children, to fight this evil monster and ALL who support it.

The Prince of Darkness is displaying his true colours, almost without shame, but then that’s par for the course with him.

So, do something, join something, say something, let’s build up A FORCE !

If Nigel Farage was not the Leader of UKIP AND an MEP, he would not be allowed anywhere near a television studio.

There are 2 important points here. Firstly, as an MEP he and his UKIP MEP’s can find out what goes on in the EU and secondly, they are able to put their euro-sceptic point of view, not only to the President of the EU but they also gave Tony Blair a rough ride when he deigned to visit the European Parliament. Without some status no one would listen.

UKIP do have a “moneyed” backer of course, who has given them some millions of pounds. Tis a pity there are no more far-seeing millionaires.

I again say, don’t dismiss the only hope this great country of ours has of escape.

After all voting for anyone else is like turkeys voting for Christmas !

Actually, the marvellous chap who runs Trago Mills in Cornwall did (worth going to see merely for the marvellous anti-EU statuary there) – and then there was a manufactured media scandal about that.

But moneyed people like that are pretty damn rare.

Peter Gabriel must have a bit put by – perhaps me and John Morton could go round to his house and persuade him to desist from his ‘Global Village Elder’ ravings and get back to being the sound cove who penned the lyrics to ‘Dancing with the Moonlight Knight’ (Selling England by the pound) Failing that, we could just try and persuade him to get Phil back on drums, Mike back on bass, Hackett to pick up the gee-tar, Phillips to retain his 12 string and make some more Music of the Spheres.

This is the logic trap that both they and the BNP have fallen into. You cannot subsequently deny legitimacy to a legislature that you have previously voted for, or contested, in EU elections. Such was the depth of the deception of Masstricht.

Only by positive referendum ballot of the people can British sovereignty be legitimately surrendered. HMG have acted beyond their authority by stealing our ballot on this issue. Parliament presently have power but not legitimacy. I deliberately make the distinction. In a short time this could turn out to be critical to this Nation and its’ people.

I am not for one moment suggesting that the rank and file members are insincere but merely trying to illustrate that there is nowhere safe for the electorate to ‘park their vote’.

The Stuart Wheeler case was also important as it illustrated that a manifesto promise did not give rise to a legitimate expectation. If this wasn’t a clear signal that Political parties are free to ‘promise everythign and deliver nothing’ I don’t know what is.

The nwo/ptb destroy – from without AND within – any real opposition that might be a threat to their status quo. Still believe we live in a democracy?? I don’t.

Following their success in the 2004 EU elections, UKIP had a golden opportunity to consolidate its newly found support and stand in two by-elections but the UKIP leadership at the time (Roger Knapman etc) flatly refused to allow anyone to stand.

We just “weren’t ready”.

We members were ready for anything and would have worked day and night if necessary…..

I was devastated as I believe this was quite possibly the only chance for UKIP to build on its success, raise its profile and maybe be taken seriously at last, well certainly for a number of years anyway.

Question: Why is it that no ‘moneyed people’ ever back the likes of UKIP but stick to the Tories or Nuliebore???

Answer: People who know and tell The Truth don’t make lots of money and don’t want control over others.

“You cannot worship God and Mammon” as the Bible says – or as ‘W’ said: “you’re either with us or you’re with the terrsts”…..Orwellian doublespeak if ever I heard it!!

All that aside – if there is a UKIP candidate standing in my constituency I would have to vote for him/her – however the seat is almost sure to be kept safe and warm by
Ken Clarke!

The English, sorry, British, tend to be lazy and disinterested in politics and this will continue until the catalyst – such as the poll tax, happens.

For example, if Daisy Brown ahd his Darling were to stop say, foreign holidays, or curtail taking money abroad etc. this might open the eyes of the electorate. This is when they might look round for a party to support, which is INDEPENDENT !

After all, the Illuminati have been planning for decades and they’re still not there ! Well on the way, yes, but not a joined up NWO.

So, patience dear friend, patience The Bible has been going for over 2000 years but the world is not all Christian !

I believe that if you don’t like the party as it is, then you must change it, from inside !