A few weeks ago, I interviewed Tim Alexander, the Earl of Stirling. Lord Stirling was directly involved in the Cash for Honours scandal, having submitted evidence to the Metropolitan Police investigation under John Yates. He has written a book (“Cash for Peerages: The Smoking Gun”) on the subject, which is available from Lulu Press (www.lulu.com).
Introductions
JM: I am sure you will agree that it is quite ironic for an American to be talking to a Brit about hereditary titles.
LS: [Laughs] Yes, well, as an American I don’t take the issue of hereditary honours too seriously, except in as far as this is part of my family history and traditions going back centuries, as outlined in my book. In my time working with Burke’s Peerage I became an expert on Scots Peerage Law, Baronetage Law, Baronage Law and Chiefly Law. This knowledge about the law is reflected in my complaint against Blair, Lord Falconer and now Brown and Straw.
JM: You may be aware of the work of the UK Column and our fight against Common Purpose, which we suspect of being a Masonic conspiracy at the higher levels. Care to comment?
LS: Common Purpose certainly sounds like a front group to me. When you want to know where the real power resides in a given country, and those who you ask always speak in a very quiet, hushed voice about something – that tells you who the powers really are. Your goals are certainly admirable and I support you in them, but you really do have your work cut out for you, what with police cameras everywhere (one for every seven citizens; more than in the rest of Europe combined) and the rapid drive towards a police state in Great Britain. You know I call this period we are in now “The Quickening”, and I think that sums it up quite nicely.
The “smoking gun”
JM: Given the circumstances you outline in your book, I am sure you are familiar with the original cash for honours case that led to the introduction of the law against this in the UK. Would you agree that Lord Levy appears to be the reincarnation of John Maundy-Gregory in this respect?
LS: That would have been under the Lloyd George government, correct? Yes, well I don’t have any specific evidence to support this, but Levy certainly looks like a Mossad operative to me. At the bare minimum he should be considered as a key overlord and handler for NuLabour and Tony Blair. He can only really be described is a kind of shifty snake-oil salesman who speaks with a “forked tongue”, if you know what I mean.
JM: And what about Peter Mandelson who you will note just (re)ascended the giddy heights?
LS: Well, aside from the fact that in my opinion Mr Mandelson is an order of magnitude worse than someone like Karl Rove, I would say that these people are just so utterly corrupt and smack in the middle of this whole stinking business up-to their eyebrows that after a while they begin to think they are invincible, and just develop this unbelievably arrogant attitude towards the world around them.
I see the whole cash-for-honours scandal as a form of over-reach arising from this pompous and inflated opinion that they have of themselves. When Baron Mandelson was ennobled, he had two people with him: Baroness Jay of Paddington (who is a really lovely lady), and Lord Falconer. Now I could rant about that fat b****d Falconer all day – he has done more than the rest of them put together to undermine and besmirch the integrity of British politics and constitutional processes, and to destroy as much of British heritage as possible.
If you take my case alone, the fact that we are talking about crimes including obstruction of justice means that it should be sufficient to put at least one senior cabinet minister in prison for a significant number of years, so this is a serious level of corruption that we are talking about here. I don’t like to get too bent out of shape about them really, at the end of the day they will eventually have to face their creator and all the tea-and-crumpets-with-the-pope in the world won’t help them on that day! If nothing else, just take a look at the slaughter they have caused in Iraq and other parts of the world with their policies. These things really do require an accounting if we are going to move forward from here and build a better world free from all this senseless bloodshed.
JM: The impression I got from your book was that it was somewhat rushed to print to coincide with the political events, as opposed to being a detailed account of your legal case, is that a fair statement?
LS: Yes, that is more or less what happened. I wanted to ensure that my story was part of the public record, but as political events were moving very fast it was a bit of a rush job to get the book out.
JM: Further to that, while I think that there is clear circumstantial evidence for corruption presented in your book, I was not entirely satisfied that you had proved your case to the extent required to prove criminal wrongdoing. Do you have other evidence that was not presented in the book?
LS: In the end I did leave quite a lot of things out and have been deliberately circumspect in certain areas for a variety of reasons that I prefer not to discuss at this point in time. But, as you should know from the book, I followed Scots peerage law to the tee and obviously know it extremely well, so there is absolutely no question but that the ongoing obstruction of my rightful position as a peer is against the law of the land. The Labour government even failed to follow their own legal guidelines as laid out in the Royal Warrant, establishing the Roll of the Peerage, that was issued by Lord Falconer, supposedly to clear up problems caused by their half-assed reform of the House of Lords, so you might observe that their incompetence and clownishness is almost as accomplished as their capacity for wanton corruption.
As you will no doubt be aware, these type of characters do not exactly just come right out and send you an invoice for whatever it is they want from you, but instead make subtle “suggestions” over an informal chat that perhaps all your “problems” will just go away if you can bring yourself to make a “reasonable donation”. In fact, the “problems” they refer to do not exist in the real world under the legal system they should be following, but seem to just spontaneously appear out of nowhere when their expectations are not met.
Now I am a Christian and an ethical person, and I don’t think that paying bribes to politicians is really the way a first world country should be conducting its political affairs, and that applies to the United States, the United Kingdom and anywhere else that claims to be a bastion of ethics and good governance. So you can call me stubborn if you want, and I am sure these guys have a few other things they would like to call me in addition to that [laughing] but, that’s the way I see things and I know I am right about this.
A key point is that Tony Blair’s defense of his actions, and the actions of his senior people, in the “cash for peerages” scandal was that the peerages in question were not “honours” in the traditional sense but working party positions. My case, that involved both a possible life peerage and old hereditary Scottish peerages (something clearly a matter of traditional honours even under Blair’s very liberal definition of “honours” used in his defense) clearly proved that the actions of Blair and his most senior people were corrupt. They would not follow the law unless and until they received a massive “donation”.
I do not pay bribes, and they caused me no untold amount of problems because of this. To this every day, the Labour government, now under Brown (and with the personal involvement of Jack Straw as Justice Minister and Lord Chancellor) refuse to follow Scots Peerage Law in my case. They still have not placed my name on the Roll of the Peerage in spite of the fact that the circumstances of my claim, under Scots Peerage Law and the rules outlined by the Royal Warrant establishing the Roll of the Peerage, clearly legally require them to do so. In my case, there is even written documents from Falconer’s senior people lying about the wording of a recent Act of Parliament. When I proved their written statement to be a lie, there was no apology. When I caught them quoting English Peerage Law rules instead of the different Scots Peerage Law rules in my claim to Scots Peerages and pointed this out several times there was no apology, just a continuation of same. The flow of communication from the senior law officer in the land, at that time, the then Lord Chancellor Lord Falconer, when a case was before the European Court of Human Rights, clearly established that they were committing obstruction of justice.
JM: In your opinion, why was the investigation shut down and what should we, the British public be doing about that? In particular, I am curious about the role of Detective Inspector John Yates, who is a name we have come across recently in connection with charges of treason that are being made around the country on our initiative – do you think he is corrupt or merely under enormous pressure by higher ups in the establishment.
LS: I personally talked at length with John Yates and with his senior detectives. They had, let me make this very clear, they had more than enough evidence, just from my case alone, to bring criminal charges against some of the highest office holders in the land. But the “fix was in”. The Establishment did not want a PM and senior cabinet ministers going to Her Majesty’s Prisons, so the deal reached was Blair was to resign by a certain date and no criminal charges would be brought against anyone in the Cabinet or Number 10.
JM: What is the next move for your fight over this issue and what are the prospects for success?
LS: Well the first thing to say is that under Scots Law I am the Earl of Stirling, and nothing, even the mighty New Labour, can change that. As it stands I am free to bring a very substantial lawsuit against Falconer, Blair and Straw which I am very confident would be sufficient to bankrupt all concerned.I do not like to make money off lawsuits, but this after all is a matter of principle.
To be frank, I was quite put off by the whole process – it simply was not what one would expect from the UK as a first world country. So basically I just want the British government to follow the law, including international treaties to which the UK is a signatory, not to mention their much lauded manifesto commitments to gender equality (which is a key part of my case in view of the ridiculous and obsolete law of male primogeniture).
I believe there was a bill by Lord Diamond related to this not so long ago, which I did not think was too well put together and unfortunately was subsequently defeated in House of Lords. They probably think I am a boy scout but I am damned if I am going to pay them to do things they are supposed to do anyway. I don’t pay bribes, but since they are forcing the issue by continuing not to follow the law, I will bring legal action against the personal assets of several senior Labour officials under human rights legislation; there are a number of countries in the EU and in North America that claim “universal jurisdiction” in the case of human rights violations and also allow people to go after the government officials regardless of their governmental or Crown immunity and to go after their personal assets. They themselves valued a life barony/peerage at over one million pounds, this was their going rate for “donations” for a life peerage.
As my case involves one possible life barony, one hereditary earldom, two viscounties, two Scots Lordships of Parliament, a baronetcy, a chiefship of a Scottish clan, several hereditary great offices of state in Canada and Nova Scotia, and several other titles the claim is apt to be very very high. This is NOT something that I want to have to take to court but I will not allow the crooks to win. I supplied them with hundreds of years of my ancestry in my claim by right but they don’t care about this, they just want money. The current refusal to follow Scots Peerage Law in my claim by Jack Straw and Gordon Brown ties them into the Blair Cash for Peerages scandal in a on-going way. Further, the refusal to allow a resettlement-by-letters patent to eliminate the sexist rules of male primogeniture, with regards to the succession to my titles, something which under Scots Peerage Law is my right to formally request, is a basic violation of human rights of myself, my sister, and her heirs and ties Straw and Brown into the past obstruction of justice issue that was before the European Court of Human Rights.
It is downright shameful to insist on maintaining odious sexist rules of male only succession to the Earldom of Stirling/etc. when Scots Peerage law allows the present Earl, myself, the right to have the Monarch change these rules. It is Jack Straw and Gordon Brown who are standing in the way of ending this gender based human rights violation. The fact that they do so in opposition to the strong support for gender equality that the Labour Party supposedly stand for, is sadly reflective of their duplicity on gender and human rights issues.
The British Constitution
JM: We are particularly interested in the constitutional issues involved with the “cash for honours” scandal. In particular you may have head the recent case of the 22 MPs who want to abandon their oath to the Monarch and are pushing for Constitutional reform to make Great Britain a “Republic”.
LS: One of the most beautiful things about the UK is that you have managed to keep your heritage, and this is apparent to anyone who visits the country and can feel that kind of living history all around them. It really would be a bad thing to have one more semi retired corrupt politician appointed as head of state. The UK has the benefit of being separated from the continent and did not lose its monarchy at the end of World War 1 like other European nations, and this was a good thing in my opinion. In all my dealings with the British Royal family I have found them fair and have no complaint whatsoever against them, and so I wholeheartedly believe that the country should keep it’s Monarchy as an institution regardless of all the many scandals and intrigues, and marriage problems, around the Windsor family in recent years.
Economic Crisis
JM: There has been a lot of discussion and speculation on the internet about the crisis being a kind of “economic 9/11″. Do you agree with this perspective, and if so, who primarily do you think is behind it?
LS: Hmm. Well it’s quite an interesting co-incidence to see that the Rockerfeller and Rothschild interests have so far seemed to have done quite well out of all this chaos. There was also the recent case of this interesting “car accident” in Austria of a “far right” political figure who was raising the issue of the global banking families, which really is the 3rd rail in all of this. You know I often get emails attacking me for not being anti-semitic by saying that “the Jews” are responsible for all this in the articles that I write, but I simply refuse to blame an entire race of people for what some people try to do. Nonetheless, it is rather interesting to note that Lady Rothschild is a key fundraiser for the Tory party. The Rothschilds have been at the game of backing both sides of every major conflict for hundreds of years, and while their basic methodology is always to make money and accrue more and more political power, there is a broader agenda. Panics and crashes always benefit a small group of “insiders”, and if you look at the Great Depression this was the greatest generator of debt to the bankers on record, and it seems clear enough that fractional reserve banking goes together with wars as the biggest generator of deficit spending.
JM: What do you see as the primary solutions that are required at this point in time, and do you have any specific advice to our readers on that?
LS: I don’t have any simple answers to that one. What I do see coming is truly horrific economic conditions, and a global war. And given that this is the 21st Century, we are no longer talking about regular warfare. If you take the case of Iran, which clearly has an advanced bio-war MAD capability via genetically engineered viruses we really are looking at something that approximates the horrific scenes described in the Biblical accounts of Armageddon. What is coming in the short term certainly seems to provide the casus belli for the installation of the global fascist police state that is so clearly the agenda of these evil people.
Conclusion
JM: In closing, do you have any other remarks or points that you would like to draw to the attention of our readers?
LS: Ok, well the essential point to remember is that my case could have put Blair and Falconer in prison and it has not ended yet. Jack Straw (Brown’s Justice Minister and Lord Chancellor) is still not following the law and therefore I am not going to let this matter rest. They have tried very hard to sweep this under the rug but it is not going away. I have nothing to lose at this point in my life, so we will see in the end if justice prevails.
JM: Thank-you for your time this evening and God bless.
LS: Thank-you.
This post is tagged Cash For Honours, Corruption, NuLabour
Hello Friends,
Just a slight change of subject but has anyone noticed David Cameron getting attacked by the pro Labour BBC and various newspapers, even the daily mail now supports brown over cameron.
I see the EU panicking because the conservatives would slow the eu takeover (not stop it however!!) but if we get a 4th labour term (AND WE WILL TRUST ME WE WILL!!) the takeover will enter the final stages.
My friends I hate to say this but lets not waste our time on ukip who have not got a chance, im voting cameron so we can bide our time!! he is a serious obstacle to eu state and not a staunch supporter like brown.
We have not the evidence to suggest Cameron is on the same side as brown but to give labour a 4th term would be unforgivable! Im rallying the tories and I suggest you do the same otherwise your letting brown back in.
Thanks
Nick,
I have reason to suspect that you are watching nothing other than pure theatre.
No no no – - a 4th Labour term would really finish the job! And I am a paid up UKIP member.
Guy,
I have evidence that indicates that the Tories are on the same side as Labour. Some elected members are actively pushing forward the EU project.
Guy you are right,
The point I am trying to get over is that if the tories win in 09/10 then we can delay this monster!! and it will give us more time
Labour is speeding things up and remember and the destruction is accelereting!! its labour or conservatives in government we all know they are the only players here.
Dont waste your time voting for lib dems, greens, ukip, this is a rigged system anyway you have 2 choices or dont vote.
WE MUST STOP A LABOUR VICTORY AT ALL COST!!! if gordon wins in 2010 if will be the final nail in the coffin and by 2015 their mission is complete.
Nick, Guy, everyone in fact,
Please make sure you come to the conference in January. We will be offering solutions in the form of organised, coordinated action. Book your place today!
Mike.
I joined UKIP two months ago and still don’t have a membership card through the post.
They are a bunch of incompetent clowns and not a serious political party.
Yesterday I received an invitation to renew my UKIP membership subscription of 5 years that’s just ending….I won’t be renewing. I had great hopes for UKIP’s success……
Even though I worked hard towards the EU elections in 2004 which proved so successful for UKIP and then I became a PPC (prospective candidate) myself, I realised I was wasting my time…..
Politics in the UK is so corrupt it has to be allowed to die……’dark forces’ behind the scenes manipulate everything – sorry but it’s true.
As written in the Book of Revelation, we have to ‘come out of her my people’ – and with the 12 stars on the EU flag (spits aside) representing the whore of Babylon ie Europa who can be seen riding the beast outside at least two EU buildings – it’s pretty obvious what ‘the system’ really is.
Similar Babylonian/pagan/witchcraft symbols can be seen on the proposed ID card.
Thank you Mr Editor.
Yes I kind of misrepresented myself when I posted: ‘No no no – - a 4th Labour term would really finish the job! And I am a paid up UKIP member.’ – What I should have done is complete the sentence ‘I am a paid up UKIP member but I would still advise people to voteTory.’
This is because we do not have PR – there would at least be SOME brakes put on with the Tories in power – a fourth term of New Labour would be terminal.
guy you are spot on
its not that i like cameron that much but its him or brown and I know that we can bide time with the tories because labour have been infested whereas there are still some excellent tory mp’s who will fight this monster with us.
One really shouldn’t join a political party, and then leave soon afterwards !
This is what is called “jumping ship” and is akin to mutiny !
UKIP is small (larger than the BNP in membership) but has a number of real hard and dedicated workers, as I understand it. They are the ONLY party determined to leave the monstrous EU, and all it entails.
As far as the Tories are concerned, never forget that it was Edward Heath who took us into this madhouse , de Gaulle made him hand over over our fishing rights before “letting us in.”
Cameron is a Europhile and George Osborne is a Bilderberger.
We really don’t have choice. Just look at the Tory MEP’s ! Study Leon Britton & Co.
A vote for the Tories is a vote for the EU.
Tom Collins said:
“A vote for the Tories is a vote for the EU”.
How very true Tom.
This is one reason I joined UKIP in 2003.
As I posted somewhere on ‘the column’ the other day – a ‘Eurosceptic’ can remain so for ever – being a sceptic doesn’t promise ‘out’ of the EU…. There are a number of Tory Eurosceptics but the Tory party per se does not, cannot and will not EVER leave the EU so don’t be fooled – check out Michael Howard’s pedigree and in particular Ken Clarke – my MP and George Osborne to name but three. All you need to know is that Bilderberg is part of the ‘global government’ and is attended by members of nuliebore and other UK political/corporate/media/financial interests.
“Democracy” is a giant scam which confirms the latest invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan (and other countries sadly) are illegal, immoral and other superlatives which might upset the ed….
All 3 ‘main’ parties, nuliebore, tory and libdems plus the Green Party – are pro-EU…..
UKIP really IS the only alternative (how long have you got from my pov) but UKIP is never going to be allowed to make a difference as anything that attempts to change the ’status quo’ and is not of the nwo agenda will never succeed and you are very sadly, wasting your energies.
That being said – if suddenly there were a revolution of sorts, and those who vote labour, tory or libdem changed their lifetime/generational voting habits then there would be a chance for UKIP to make some headway. Is this scenario going to happen?? I doubt it and I say that very reluctantly as I’ve worked long and hard for no-thing for UKIP……
People have been brainwashed all their lives to trust ‘the system’.
The System is NOT your friend, in fact, it is your enemy in every way right down to having enslaved you financially from birth……but don’t take my word for it – do your own research.
I wish I could be more positive but having experienced ‘politics’ at first hand – fighting within this current corrupt and evil system is futile.
That being said – I have very many good ideas if anyone else feels the same way. And I have abundant enthusiasm if anyone ‘moneyed’ decides to leave ‘babylon’ and fight for The Truth and Humanity instead of ‘the crown’ and ‘the self’!!
I appreciate that EnufsEnuf may well have been disappointed in the lack of progress by UKIP. One of the problems is that singly there is very little that you can do. Numbers can create a groundswell of public opinion, IF enough people “spread the Word”..
The English, sorry, British, tend to be lazy and disinterested in politics and this will continue until the catalyst – such as the poll tax, happens.
For example, if Daisy Brown ahd his Darling were to stop say, foreign holidays, or curtail taking money abroad etc. this might open the eyes of the electorate. This is when they might look round for a party to support, which is INDEPENDENT !
After all, the Illuminati have been planning for decades and they’re still not there ! Well on the way, yes, but not a joined up NWO.
So, patience dear friend, patience The Bible has been going for over 2000 years but the world is not all Christian !
I believe that if you don’t like the party as it is, then you must change it, from inside !
Tom, whilst I’m obviously disappointed at the lack of progress of UKIP, what I didn’t explain was that imo UKIP will never be ALLOWED to actually make any progress, well maybe a modicum of ‘managed’ progress.
The nwo/ptb destroy – from without AND within – any real opposition that might be a threat to their status quo. Still believe we live in a democracy?? I don’t.
Following their success in the 2004 EU elections, UKIP had a golden opportunity to consolidate its newly found support and stand in two by-elections but the UKIP leadership at the time (Roger Knapman etc) flatly refused to allow anyone to stand.
We just “weren’t ready”.
We members were ready for anything and would have worked day and night if necessary…..
I was devastated as I believe this was quite possibly the only chance for UKIP to build on its success, raise its profile and maybe be taken seriously at last, well certainly for a number of years anyway.
Question: Why is it that no ‘moneyed people’ ever back the likes of UKIP but stick to the Tories or Nuliebore???
Answer: People who know and tell The Truth don’t make lots of money and don’t want control over others.
“You cannot worship God and Mammon” as the Bible says – or as ‘W’ said: “you’re either with us or you’re with the terrsts”…..Orwellian doublespeak if ever I heard it!!
All that aside – if there is a UKIP candidate standing in my constituency I would have to vote for him/her – however the seat is almost sure to be kept safe and warm by
Ken Clarke!
The UKIP Constitution claims that they are anti-European Union. However, by contesting the European elections they are acquiesing to the imposition of a foreign lawmaking power.
This is the logic trap that both they and the BNP have fallen into. You cannot subsequently deny legitimacy to a legislature that you have previously voted for, or contested, in EU elections. Such was the depth of the deception of Masstricht.
Only by positive referendum ballot of the people can British sovereignty be legitimately surrendered. HMG have acted beyond their authority by stealing our ballot on this issue. Parliament presently have power but not legitimacy. I deliberately make the distinction. In a short time this could turn out to be critical to this Nation and its’ people.
I am not for one moment suggesting that the rank and file members are insincere but merely trying to illustrate that there is nowhere safe for the electorate to ‘park their vote’.
The Stuart Wheeler case was also important as it illustrated that a manifesto promise did not give rise to a legitimate expectation. If this wasn’t a clear signal that Political parties are free to ‘promise everythign and deliver nothing’ I don’t know what is.
‘Question: Why is it that no ‘moneyed people’ ever back the likes of UKIP but stick to the Tories or Nuliebore??? ‘
Actually, the marvellous chap who runs Trago Mills in Cornwall did (worth going to see merely for the marvellous anti-EU statuary there) – and then there was a manufactured media scandal about that.
But moneyed people like that are pretty damn rare.
Peter Gabriel must have a bit put by – perhaps me and John Morton could go round to his house and persuade him to desist from his ‘Global Village Elder’ ravings and get back to being the sound cove who penned the lyrics to ‘Dancing with the Moonlight Knight’ (Selling England by the pound) Failing that, we could just try and persuade him to get Phil back on drums, Mike back on bass, Hackett to pick up the gee-tar, Phillips to retain his 12 string and make some more Music of the Spheres.
I believe that, with great respect, “Welsh Messenger” may have missed the point.
If Nigel Farage was not the Leader of UKIP AND an MEP, he would not be allowed anywhere near a television studio.
There are 2 important points here. Firstly, as an MEP he and his UKIP MEP’s can find out what goes on in the EU and secondly, they are able to put their euro-sceptic point of view, not only to the President of the EU but they also gave Tony Blair a rough ride when he deigned to visit the European Parliament. Without some status no one would listen.
UKIP do have a “moneyed” backer of course, who has given them some millions of pounds. Tis a pity there are no more far-seeing millionaires.
I again say, don’t dismiss the only hope this great country of ours has of escape.
After all voting for anyone else is like turkeys voting for Christmas !
Tom Collins said:
“I believe that, with great respect, “Welsh Messenger” may have missed the point”.
Had UKIP been destined to make a political breakthrough I believe that they would have already done so by now. For your information I choose not to vote for any of the Political parties because in order to gain power they are all prepared to breach their manifesto pledges.
In relation to the EU Parliament I note that
“In 1999, turnout in the UK was the lowest in Europe at 24%. In 2004 it stood at
38.2%”. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/vote2004/euro_uk/html/front.stm
This is hardly a ringing endorsement for the institution known as the European Parliament.
In a democracy who represents the voice of the 61.8% who did not vote? The non-voter is in the majority. If we look to the opinion of the EU Political elite they claim that the Irish ‘No Vote’ cannot stall the Lisbon Treaty ratification process because to do so would undermine the democratic will of the other 450 million Europeans. Complete nonsense because he rest of us weren’t allowed a vote at all..
They may enjoy power but until such time as the Lisbon Treaty is endorsed by a majority of the EU voters by referendum they cannot enjoy legitimacy. Under such circumstances I would never vote for the candidate of any party standing for an unlawful assembly.
I’m glad to read that “Enufs Enuf” would rather vote UKIP than for Ken Clarke !
Mr. Clarke is a dyed-in-the-wool Euro Fanatic and also a Bilderberger ! How can you trust a man like him ?
And yet David Cameron, so I hear, is considering giving him a “big job” if the Tories form the next government. Work that one out ! Minister for Europe ??
People must vote with their conscience. The writing on the wall is writ in Very Large Letters. Do nothing and face the dreadful consequences. You owe it to your children and their children, to fight this evil monster and ALL who support it.
The Prince of Darkness is displaying his true colours, almost without shame, but then that’s par for the course with him.
So, do something, join something, say something, let’s build up A FORCE !
I do understand, and even appreciate, what Welsh Messenger says about politics.
With respect, the European Parliament is NOT unlawful. It may well be a complete waste of time, but that’s another matter. The EU Parliament merely rubberstamps what they are told by the European Commission and, of course, our own parliament also rubber-stamps all legislation, Directives and Regulations emanating from Brussels.
On average, only around 50% of the voters ever bother to vote, so to get a 38% turnout for the 2004 European Parliament election, was almost a success !!
By NOT voting Welsh Messenger really shows that he doesn’t really care who wins !
No political party is perfect, of course, but at least UKIP is the only party determined to withdraw from the EU (excluding the BNP). You may say that UKIP will never get anywhere but if we adopted that attitude in WW2 we would all be under the jackboot !
Welsh Messenger should reconsider his views on TACTICS and refusing to vote is, witth the greatest of respect, NOT a tactic – it is a waste of a vote !
The UKIP discussion seems to be going round in circIes. I wish I could have confidence in them. I am sure it has some very good and well meaning members, but I fear its leaders are a complete waste of time. I would respectfully suggest that it is up the the present membership to get rid of them, before asking people to vote for the party.
Tom,
The last thing I wish to do is to appear disrespectful of you own views which you are perfectly entitled to hold. My vote has to be earned and my refusal to commit it to one of our existing Political Parties Is not, as you suggest, the waste of a vote but a reflection of my lack of confidence in the Political system. Rather than policies being framed from the ‘grassroots up’ they are imposed by the ‘top down’. This applies across all the Political Parties including UKIP.
I maintain that the EU Parliament is ulawful because it conflicts with the constitutional principle that we are not to be ruled by a foreign power. This is enshrined within the Coronation Oath, Ministerial Oaths and Judicial Oaths. It is also buttressed by the Declaration of rights.
In relation to the TEU (Masstricht Treaty) this gave rise to the introduction of EU Citizenship. Citizenship bestows rights and duties on each and every one of us including the Queen. None of us ever consented to this.
Far from nor caring who wins I very much care that the British People are currently subject to a system of Governmance where the usual checks, balances and legal principles appear to have been deliberately dismantled. For example, in British law a man is presumed innocent until guilt is established. In the EU ‘corpus juris’ system a man is presumed guilty and must prove his innocence against the combined machinery of the state.
I have carefully followed many of the debates in relation to the European issue. Never have truer words been spoken than the following
“The past 10 years have also seen a massive increase in EU law that becomes UK law without it ever having passed through Parliament, as statute or statutory instrument.
Let us be absolutely clear: these were laws passed by the Commission and the Council of Ministers and became UK law without being seen by either the other place or this House. To this annual cascade of imposed legislation we must add all the directives, which are transposed into UK law by Parliament—not that Parliament has anything at all to do with the process, except to reach for the rubber stamp. …………
Not a word, not a syllable, not a comma can be changed by our elected Parliament or this House—what some of us were pleased to call the Mother of Parliaments, which is now more the Zimmer of Parliaments. We may amuse ourselves by sounding off about them and passing harmless time discussing these regulations, but it makes no difference. I have to ask: are we really content with this? Are we really content that a majority of our laws are not only untouchable by Parliament but are not even seen by Parliament? Is that what we have come to? If so, why do we need so many highly paid MPs? Never have so few done so little for so much”.
Lord Willoughby de Broke
I seem to recall that Lord de Broke is a UKIP peer. Whils his words certainly ring true they still do not convince me that Nigel Farage is the person on the ‘white charger’ that the majority of freedom loving Brits are seeking.
Between now and the next elections I propose to ‘listen and learn’.
I think the time has come for us to detail the “faults” of the 3 main parties AND UKIP but especially their Leaders.
If we can sound off about Brown, Cameron, Clegg and Farage, describing their bad points then perhaps we could all see the problems with a fresh viewpoint.
I think Brown’s faults are shouting from the rooftops but what about the other 3 ?
Hello.
It has been a while since i was here but i notice many of Life’s posts have been removed. Why?
I also notice those that are remaining leave out the valid points made about Mr Larouche’s choice of heroic figures. Why is this so?
Thanks
Neo
I will leave Mike, the editor, to comment as to whether any posts have been removed. I am certainly not aware of it, and have not asked that this be done.
Life has chosen to take himself off elsewhere and that is his decision.
I have dealt with his “valid points” on several occasions and if you have not understood the basis of my refutation of his claims then there is little else I can say that will help you.
Neo,
None of Life’s posts has been removed.
Regards,
Mike.
Hello
May I advise you all spend a little time understanding the Masonic connection between Philadelphia and Halifax-Nova Scotia in Canada, from the time of the the first Masonic Lodge in Philadelphia. We are dealing with the same network as many moved into Canada after the war of independance to instill the same networks on behalf of the British Crown.
Neo
That is not disputed. What is disputed is that membership of the masons, or other secret society necessarily means that one is working for the “dark side”.
For example, Ben Franklin was indeed a mason, otherwise how would he have had access to the higher levels of British intelligence, and thus able to understand the enemy and fight a successful revolution against them.
It seems obvious enough that successful counterintelligence operations require infiltration.
The correct way to study history is to study what men actually said and did, not what misinformed populist gossip says about them.
Hello
I have to say firstly John, you seem to be rather condesending in relation to how we should aproach the study of men and history.
I cannot find the posts in relation to Franklin and FDR, which if my memory serves me correctly came from the poster named Life, also the chronological posts again to the same poster, could you point me tothe topic on which they were posted.
Unless one has experienced the peak of Freemasonry and many other orders, something John you quite frankly have not, Then one should cease in dictating to all in how to understand the said orders, no offence intended just advise from an old aristocrat who has experienced such high levels of power. Thus far in studying your site, the most experienced mind to post here has without any doubt been the information placed before you by the person named Life, could you please send me any contact details for this person if you have them.