Dear <insert MP’s name here>,
The house of cards that is the global financial system is now in terminal collapse. Mr Darling’s recent suggestion that no-one could see this coming was typical of the reasoning that has got us to this point, and was either a simple lie, or demonstrates his complete incompetence.
So, how did we get here? The answer is simple. We the people allowed bankers and politicians to implement policies which could only ever end one way, and, in fact, demonstrated a complete lack of understanding of economy.
Economy is physical – it comes from the ability of a nation to generate wealth through human productivity.
The deliberate winding down of our skilled manufacturing base, the deliberate lack of investment in basic economic infrastructure such as power stations, transport systems, water systems etc., the deliberate asset stripping of what little infrastructure we have left, to place so-called “value” in the hands of shareholders, and the insane fiscal policies which have allowed for the blowing of bubbles to sucker the mass of the population into believing that something could be got for nothing, could only ever end one way.
It is a year since the collapse of Northern Rock, the first major sign of what was to come. What did you do? Nothing.
You did nothing when major UK banks announced they needed to raise additional capital through share issue.
You did nothing when the greatest bailout of all time – that of Fanny and Freddie – signaled the immediate collapse of the global financial system.
You do nothing as the mountain of personal debt the people of this nation carry approaches twice our GDP.
And you will do nothing, no doubt, now that Lehman Brothers is in bankruptcy, and Merryl Lynch has been bailed out by Bank of America.
When will you admit that the collapse of this house of cards is accelerating? When will you admit that globalisation is, and always was, insane? When will you admit that free trade is by no means free? When will you admit that international action is required to save our lives?
Because, make no mistake, unless you act, and act now, tens of thousands of lives will be lost in the UK, as a result of collapsing government finances bringing in even less money for social security and the health system.
I am writing, therefore, to tell you what you must do.
You must begin work, today, now, to cause the meeting, round a table, of the governments of the UK, USA, France, Germany, Russia, China, and India, and you must place the global financial system in administration. You must tell the bankers to go to hell. You must freeze all speculative debt, including mortgage debt, and you must make sure that nations have the time they need to sort out the mess. This can only be done through international treaty.
One mess that needs to be sorted out, for example, is agriculture, specifically food production. Food production needs to be doubled in order to feed the world. Transport systems need to be built to get the food to where its needed efficiently. Power systems need to be built now in order to guarantee our needs for the next few generations.
It’s time to act. It’s time to recognise that money does not make the world go round. The productive and creative power of the human being does that.
I am calling on you to be productive, creative, and demonstrate you have the guts required to be a leader. Any government is only as effective as its individual MPs. If you are effective, the government will be too.
So, act. Act now.
Yours …
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Great letter, and I will send it. I have no hope that my MP will do anything but brush it aside, but will circulate any response I get from him.
It seems important to realise that we don’t have to take this lying down, that money is nothing but an accounting system, and that we can create our own local, debt-free currencies, making the trade of goods and services produced through the use of hard work, skill and creative ingenuity possible, even during the present financial collapse. As Mike points out, these are the things which really make the world go round. Money needs to be put in its proper place.
If the people at the top won’t listen, we can still take action to help ourselves.
don’t waste your time trying to work through the system. When will we see that our problem is treason? They meant to do this to us. They have no regard for our lives and would even like to see the majority dead. They intend to continue on. Recognize an act of war and lets treat it as such. Do you complain to your enemy?
why would the people who carried out 911 and 7/7 ever listen to us? and there will be no revolution (unless they want one) because by and large the majority are sheeple.
James
Ok well thanks for stopping by. You can carry on moaning and sitting on your arse for a few more days/weeks now then.
Alternatively, you can start THINKING and ACTING. Not everyone in politics is involved in some great many leveled conspiracy to corrupt your mind and turn you over to the lizard people.
Rgds,
JM
booooo-ring!!!
Great idea from Mike Robinson. HOWEVER – it is impossible for the governments to place the financial institutions into liquidation. After all, most governments owe them billions if not trillions. And uproar from the shareholders and stakeholders etc. wouldbe huge, to say the least.
So, what can be done. Gandhi won through with non-violent action.
A few possibilities. Large numbers of people could refuse to pay their taxes, local and national.
Drivers could refuse to pay speeding and parking fines
Firms could refuse to remit paye payments. The list is endless. I am NOT advocating these ideas, merely putting them foward showing what COULD happen if, and when, the people have had enough.
“Great idea from Mike Robinson. HOWEVER – it is impossible for the governments to place the financial institutions into liquidation. After all, most governments owe them billions if not trillions. And uproar from the shareholders and stakeholders etc. would be huge, to say the least.”
This is exactly the point. Are we a sovereign nation state or not? If we are, then we can do as we choose. We are not beholden to multi-national corporations, or their shareholders, all of whom regularly demonstrate no concern for humanity, and none of whom demonstrate any loyalty to any nation. We owe them nothing.
Just to add to that, we really do not have any choice in this matter.
Either we force our government to assert sovereignty and control this crisis and make the bankers eat the losses they foisted on themselves, or the banks will usurp what remains of our democratic system and impose fascist austerity on us.
Do you want to spend the rest of your days in a labour camp, or working in freedom, to rebuild what globalisation has destroyed over the last thirty years?
johnmorton, james is quite correct in what he says. Additionally, the Fed Res silently gets, since 1913, all the Fed Govt income taxes which currently run at $1,000,000,000,000 . That is a Trillion every year, every year, ad infinitum. For nothing. Hugest scam of all time.
Can you hear that vaccuum cleaner sound coming from over across the `pond`? That’s the Fed Reserve’s vacuum cleaner nozzle in every income taxpaying sheeple’s pocket.
About 100,000,000 of them. Helpless sheeple. Ron Paul, like many others, do say that this is unConstitutonal.
This means were the Fed Reserve to be abolished, and the 761 US bases on foreign soil closed, all the seemingly insurmountable problems would be solved overnight – literally.
Can someone tell me that if the private Bank of England were in public hands would your problems be eased ?
Hi All.
I would suggest we need to put forward the Magna Carta with the changes we wish to make to it.
We also need to look at Common Law and again make chaqnges to it so it serves the new Magna Carta so Common law re-enforces the new Magna carta.
We then offer this as the new constitution as a republic to the people of Blighty. We then have a movement.
It is good that we are exposing the sickness in our country but we need to also offer something new for the people to understand and support. We need to do this as quickly as possible withoput fuss.
Let us make the new constitution easily understandable and accesable to all people of Blighty. I would suggest also looking closely at the American original constitution and including the best of that document also.
Keep up the great work one and all.
Best Life…
Hi All.
PS.
Let us embrace the fuel from water technology forthwith as a possible means of funding our new movement, would this not be a great way for all those retired BAE personel to get up from the couch and do what we do best…’CREATE’. Not only that, given the pension funds are going awol, would this not be a far greater investment for all you battleaxes…
Best Life…
Michael
The problems of the UK are the consequence of our exporting the system of independent central banking systems around the world. This network of banks is what is rightly called the British Empire, which is not an Empire of the British people.
As such, to the extent that the Federal Reserve is acting as an institution of British imperial power over and above the sovereign interests of the United States of America, you are currently targetted for total economic collapse and destruction – which was always the long term objective of the Imperial financial power based in the City of London.
We here at the column are fully aware of the treason and subversion of the US constitution that is ongoing, and furthermore offer our complete and uniquivocal support to measures to bring this system of economic and financial control to an end once and for all – everywhere on this planet.
We want to see a world system of sovereign nation state Republics, based on the American model, with national banking systems in place of private independent central banks.
What we are calling for here is for the US and other governments to convence an emergency conference to lay the foundations of this new credit system that will replace the current bankrupt system, before that system asserts total political control and places “we the people” into receivership.
The initiative for this action MUST come from the US, as the only sovereign power on this planet with the institutional capability to do so. The UK is not sovereign and is totally dependent on the action of the US Congress in this regard.
With respect John I will take a moratorium on that one as I am still studying the international power of the City throughout the Commonwealth sphere of influence —which really equates to everywhere, and its seems that Barclays holds more clout than the FED does right now.
Kindly leave this open for a while..Sincerely David
John and Mike
I would like to thank you for the letter that appears in this post. I think that the U.S.
Congress need s a similar letter sent to all of its members since they have also failed
to act in this time of crisis.
I do agree with John that the system has to be put under bankruptcy protection and the
leading four powers ie, Russia, China, India, and the United States have to work together
and bring about a conference to set up another Bretton Woods type system.
Those who have said that this crisis is not a systemic problem have been proven wrong
over the past few weeks.
There is hope that sane minds can act and the world will not fall into another Dark Age but that means alot of work and organizing needs to be done.
Greg Murphy
21st Century Science and Technology
David
“The City” and its financial tentacles is the source of the problem.
The Federal Reserve is unconstitutional and could be abolished if the US Congress were to chose to do so, throwing the BIS/BoE system out of control of the US dollar.
I refer you to the US Constitution Clauses 5&6:
http://supreme.justia.com/constitution/article-1/38-fiscal-and-monetary-powers.html
However, the more likely course of action is to work out a transition plan whereby the USD would first be stabilized to avoid any sudden disruption/chaos. A fixed parity exchange rate system would then need to be re-established by treaty agreement. The Fed would then be forced into subservience to the Treasury department and the US Government returned to it’s role as the regulator of economic activity.
This whole process will take years to work out but it must be done or we will not have a civilization left to argue about in short order.
Cracking Good web site, Life!
I am pleased to see that you agree that a People’s Constitution is clearly called for, and long, long over due for the UK.
The current gabbleage off political parties in their perpetual state of designed confusion together with the traditional party pendulum swing, only adds to more confusion and discontent, which in turn spawns what I call “new breed political parties” Such as the UKIP.
The UKIP who claims to want that Britain shall again be governed by laws made to suit its own needs by its own Parliament which must be directly and solely accountable to the electorate of the UK!
Maybe I am myopic in my approach as to why they need so many MEPs. You see getting the UK electorate to vote for the EU parliament representation only makes the concept of The Europe Union more acceptably familiar at least to around the 3 million voters who voted UKIP MEPs into the European Parliament.
Therefore while we have the present party system we will always have screwball parties popping up and even outright grimy slim-bag dangerous ones such as the BNP with no chance of going anywhere on a national scale. But nevertheless by just being there attracts many away from the real problems that are hurting this country to their idiotic and blatantly “false promise” policies
I got chastised for stating that we need a brand new party. I used the collective noun, “party” solely in that context of collectivity by concensus, and that consensus being a nation united under one equitable New Glorious Constitution that is acceptable to one and all in that this New Constitution would address the basic needs of all throughout the land.
I further believe that as our world becomes an increasingly hazardous place to be, sensibility will play an increasing part in our daily lives to the extent that we all all appreciate the fact that under out New Constitution, we in this country will all be cared and catered for, as we should be, with a sense of just harmony under our inherited glorious Common Law.
I ask myself why there are so many miserable faces in Britain today, and the clear answer to me is simply oppression. Oppression by successive governments, caring little for the ordinary people. The administration of Britain is so severely flawed with many constitutional violations perpetrated by a very uncivil service service—who all need to go until they find decency and good manners in order to preserve the integrity of those(we the people) who pay their wages to serve us with an unqualified respect.
I firmly believe that our nation is ready! Ready for the enlightened message that clearly the UK Column can deliver. Ready to be joined harmoniously into not accepting third rate cheap tactics and sordid government from those crooks who were elected to serve us, not to line their pockets
Should the people of this nation agree to a glorious New Constitution one in which they can all see, feel and understand the benefits thereof drawn up for the people in pepertuity. Then I believe the fall of this dreadful present system would be automatic and peaceful.
It has been said that the forces who pull the administration’s strings want as all to revolt, they want blood shed and open revolution in order to beat us back and further subdue us by force.
I fear that unless we are astute that may be the only way forward, and believe me, fight I will—- if need be!
By declaring myself in Legal Rebellion as a freeman under common law, I have already been reminded by officialdom, that I now, by designation I am an enemy of the State. A fact I proudly put my hand up for, as there is no way I will ever support an evil totally corrupt administration, who think nothing of violating our inherited Constitutional rights.
But as stated, we now have a solid workable option, and if we can get the concept of our glorious New Constitution across to the people and show them how workable it is to each and alls’ benefit then I believe our task will be well under way.
Furthermore, initially we must forget about all else, especially the influences of the world’s globalisation forces and those who would rule the world, and concentrate on our home ground, as charity, as they say begins at home. Britain has always led the world in any event, and often taught by example, and our great influence.
Look, please just look people at what we have given the world, the Magna Carta and Common Law, which are the foundations of many a great democracy, including the USA, and much much more.
If we can demonstrate to all those who will be, and are right now, keenly observing us, that we British can bring about a peaceful compleat social revolution without bloodshed, then once again Britain will be a great world leader, and as sure as chickens lays eggs there are so many international dissents who would proudly embrace us all with open arms.
Not only that, it is not too difficult a task either to get into the hearts and minds of all our people. Its not honestly as for those of us who can recall our history and great days of The Grand National Consolidated Trade Union, such unity was almost achievable then. Today we have mass communication and the Internet, at least while we still freely have it.
Imagine one great Country. united under one Glorious Constitution for the benefit of all, end end to the continued strife and stressful existence under corrupt outmoded party politics. Britain once again set to offer another wonderful gift to the world–the gift of totally liberated freedom.
johnmorton, your last three paras leave me perplexed; the US Congress is completely private banker controlled, and are not going to draft legislation repealing the unConstitutional 1913 laws which enacted the Fed Reserve and the Fed Govt tax on income from poor peoples’ wages.
Were they to repeal these Acts of Congress this in itself would be strokes of sovereignty which all other states on the planet could emulate, and hence abolish their own private central banks replacing them with central banks controlled by the electorally sensitive legislatures and not the unaccountable executives.
It was only because Germany from 1933 tried sovereign banking that she was destroyed by 1945 by the powerful foreign private banks using British and American proxy armies.
That was the true lesson of WW2 – the private banks in effect said,` We are the sovereigns, do not try to usurp us’.
Which is why Germany is still under banker army occupation because the German people know private banking is a scam and would oust the private banks again.
Michael
Yes, we are aware of the fact that both the GOP and DNC are controlled by banking and corporate lobbies, however, in a crisis of this type, the financial controllers themselves are going bankrupt at an accelerating rate.
This potentially opens a door through which the Congress, in crisis hearings on the nature of the crisis, may be forced by popular pressure to adopt temporary measures to defend the USD that will lead to a complete FDR style reorganization of the US economy.
If the US Congress does this, other nations will follow.
If they do not do this, there won’t be much point continuing the discussion because we will be in the middle of a collapse of civilization into a dark age.
“…and I believe what will also be said of this age, the first decade of the 21st Century, that out of what will be seen as [B]the greatest restructuring of the global economy[/B], perhaps one even greater than at the time of the industrial revolution, [B]a new world order was created[/B]…..”
Gordon Brown
Mansion House
May 2007
See and hear it for yourself:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=hMmj8RM5Kr8
johnmorton,
When FDR took over, the Fed Reserve had already been seeping their poison of legalised counterfeit money as Federal Govt borrowings for some 20yrs, for which they were handsomely rewarded with the concomitant enacting into law that wages of working people be taxed Federally in order that it all be funnelled as interest payments.
People did not before that time pay any Federal income tax, and the $ had maintained its value over the previous century.
FDR did nothing to annul that Christmas Eve 1913 `gift`, or poison pill, of this legalised counterfeiting – embezzlement of peoples’ savings, by a private central bank, without which annulment any economic reform can only be little more than a sop by a career politician intent on re election.
It wasn’t until the outbreak of WW2 – engineered by Churchill, augmented by Pearl Harbour – engineered by FDR, that the groundwork was laid for the artifcial war preparedness sustained economy of the last 60 yrs.
The absence of a war economy, shooting or prepared, means peace. Peace means people have time to reflect, and ask on the origin of their money.
That can’t be allowed as we know what subsequently happened to Germany when they acted on their findings in 1933.
Michael
While I agree with you in general terms, I have two issues with your remarks:
1. You ignore the stated intentions of FDR (had he lived) to completely break up the Empire and free all the former colonies. This was to be realized by the implementation of the Bretton Woods system. Unfortunately, his untimely death meant that Truman took over and nuked the Japanese on orders from London, thus launching the cold war. Had FDR lived, Keynsian economics would not have taken over the Bretton Woods institutions, and today we would be living in a completely different world to the one we are in now.
2. FDR did not plan Pearl Harbour. This is a popular conspiracy theory that can be demonstrated to be a fallacy of composition.
Our misson today is the same one that FDR had intented had he lived. I agree with you it is harder than ever to see any way in which it might be realized, but then, unprecedented events sometimes lead to extraordinary results.
As my friend, ex head economist for a very large leading firm told me today, thank god we have a bit of land and that we are out in the country.
The reason? Because he thinks it’s all too late to stop the fall, ‘give it 2, maybe 3 years, on the outside 5 years until we have complete anarchy’. This means, to the average person, no food in tesco’s, money worth nothing, no one getting paid, no fuel, no electricity from the socket etc.
Why do you think everything has been getting wound down?
We have been led by crooks that should be thrown in jail for the rest of their lives, if things had been different we would have an enormous sovereign wealth fund from all the north sea oil which would have given us fantastic infrastructure, great schools, clean cheap and on time public transport and cutting edge health care.
When it does hit the fan proper all those EU regs on curtailing our freedoms will be brought into play. All i can say is, we are ready for them, you need to be making communities because that is the only thing that may save you, me and everyone.
Yep I can see this coming too and have done for a while. I was outlining my options to John this morning.
And whereas at this stage I am still prepared to fight to save the UK to ensure our long term destiny and to hold those responsible for our near demise, I feel that most of the time there is no genuine interest from the people in saving themselves from the inevitable.
Well I guess that OK as each to their own, but as stated I have a plan B, I know most don’t, so if it comes to escaping to my heaven—I trust I will be far enough away to “escape” the haunting cries of despair.
That is where we must disagree, i don’t think anyone will be able to not hear those cries of despair, not anyone that cares anyway, as you obviously do.
Most people in this country can’t think past this weeks shopping never mind saving themselves, they have been so dumbed down.
You need to be thinking a lot smaller than the UK, how about the community you live amongst? How well do you know your neighbours? I can trust ours with our children, as they trust us with theirs.
John Morton,
FDR’s benevolence to the colonized peoples was borne of the envy that it was not the USA that was the colonizer, and so he was keen to replace the British, French and Dutch, all of whom had been impoverished by the war and were too weak to re establish themselves in their colonies. The French and Dutch having been occupied themselves were more sensitive to the cries for human freedom than the Americans. The British, being physically closer to Europe, got the drift of that breeze soon after.
There are 761 US bases outside of the 50 states, and that is colonization in all but name – achieving and maintaining the right business environment for US corporations. Think Major Smedley Butler’s immortalized confession.
The Bretton Woods system was meant to be the foundation laid by the private owners of the central banks of those nation states in which they already existed to further consolidate planetary control by working towards privatising the few remaining maverick state owned central banks in those countries where this was still so.
The tools for achieving this objective were the IMF and the World Bank which decreed policies of economic recovery which were not that at all, but were designed to facilitate transfer to western ownership of both production, service and banking activity of the target countries through these disastrous economic policy outcomes.
Central banking slipping into private western hands could then follow quite easily.
Recalcitrants, in this regard of central banking, like Saddam’s Iraq, Syria, Iran and Nth Korea were to be brought to heel with the application of extreme violence – unless they actually have nukes, like Nth Korea. That has long been the plan, and it maybe that it is coming undone on account of the surprisingly swift and effective Russian response to the Georgian provocation on the very eve of the Olympics.
Keynesian economics works integrally with the private central banker created system, as such an economic system is the only response that there can be to the economic dysfunctions arising when private interests have had ceded to them the peoples’ sovereign right of currency creation.
IOW, what was a peoples’ sovereign right degenerates into outright legalised counterfeiting when in private hands accountable to no one, except their unbridled hubris.
If Pearl Harbour was not an inside job, then it follows that 911 was not either.
Michael,
You need to do some research, I think.
FDR was only one man, He had to work through others. It is easy to blame how things turn out on the man whose ideas they were originally, but its not necessarily correct to do so.
FDR’s election to President was fought by the financial establishment every step of the way. He was fought all through his Presidency, and – here’s the best clue of all – almost everything he did or put in place was either reversed after his death, or turned into some sick representation of his original intention.
FDR knew his situation. He absolutely believed in the idea of “keep your friends close, and your enemies closer,” so, again, it could seem like Averall Harriman’s presence in his cabinet, for example, could mean that he was best mates with Harriman – the man who, through Prescott Bush, had bailed our the Nazi Party from bankruptcy.
FDR understood the truth of the US Constitution and what it represents for mankind. Unfortunately, the old oligarchical European bankers had (and have) themselves well entrenched in the US establishment, and although he pulled off the greatest economic recovery after the 1929 crash, by applying the principles inherent within the Constitution, he was always fighting these other nutters. It all helped bring on an early death.
Finally, “if Pearl Harbour was not an inside job, then it follows that 911 was not either,” is a little irrational, is it not?
I think we are losing focus here and going around in circles.
Clearly what man has made man can unmake–as is being seen today by the massive bails by the world’s central banks.
There is not a darn thing we can do about what FDR did or did not do. But we can sweep away the effects of BW if we wish to.
Our problem are here and now waiting to be tackled as Common Purpose is coming.
If you continue to dwell upon things that you can do nothing about, save postulate—-you will all be gobbled up by THE CP MONSTER, and appear as little defenceless turds in the sun before you know what the hell as hit you.
Time to get really people its Britain that need saving first as charity and sanity begins at home, before you can spread it across the world.
I don’t think any discussion of history is a loss of focus. Without the perspective of history we can’t view the present correctly, nor assess the likely options for the future.
As for Common Purpose, it isn’t a monster. More of a frilled lizard – you know the kind … it pretends to be bigger than it really is. It also acts tough.
When its challenged, it opens its mouth as wide as it can. The skin around its neck pops out like an umbrella. It hisses and whips its long tail around. Bluff and bluster.
Same with the whole NWO apparatus. They’re SCARED.
You’re right, we do need to save Britain. Britain is where the NWO apparatus is centred at this time in history. Robert Peston was giving it a fanfare just yesterday.
But that can only be done with a firm grip on history.
I would agree to a point as it must be assumed that each of us who posts here has a degree of world history under our belts.
But with respect to all, I would opine that its of little use for the purpose of this BB to be constantly crying over spilt milk.
History is obviously a great influence , but to date we seemed to have learnt little from it—How for back do you want your conflict and economic problems from 5000 BC 3000BC 1000BS 1000AD.
Its much the same old story.
Now is the time to learn from it all and prepare a future.
Nothing is really that important when its man induced and what we make we can unmake give or take a few million bodies—-a sad fact of life though.
David, I disagree completely.
It’s the very fact that people ignore history that causes the same mistakes to be made over and over again. That’s why history is, quite intentionally, one of the most shallow, unappealing subjects taught in our schools.
Understanding history, and most importantly, understanding how battles such as we face today were won in the past, is one of the keys we need most.
I agree and if you note I always make historical references which is why I stated above—–
I would agree to a point as it must be assumed that each of us who posts here has a degree of world history under our belts.
However its obvious that were ARE NOT LEARNING AND THIS IS WHY I FEEL WE NEED TO GET OUR ACTS TOGETHER WITH A NEW INDELIBLE CONSTITUTION FOR THE LIFE OF HUMANS ON THIS PLANET.
And you can all listen or not but right now as I right there are some many evil influences out there that will kill us all off.—-just stop and think about it.
write
Michael
Please email me at jmnbbg@gmail.com as we need to continue this discussion offline.
Rgds,
JM
Suggest all read the following as the crisis that is now upon us will not end until this kind of solution is put on the table by the US Congress.
The current proposal by Paulson is ILLEGAL and UNCONSTITUTIONAL and will result in the collapse of the US dollar and a new dark age for us all.
http://www.webofdebt.com/articles/its_the_derivatives.php
Mr Editor,
A little research reveals that;
`On October 7, 1940, Lieutenant Commander Arthur McCollum of the Office of Naval Intelligence submitted a memo to Navy Captains Walter Anderson and Dudley Knox (whose endorsement is included in the following scans). Captains Anderson and Knox were two of President Roosevelt’s most trusted military advisors. The memo detailed an 8 step plan to provoke Japan into attacking the United States. President Roosevelt, over the course of 1941, implemented all 8 of the recommendations contained in the McCollum memo. Following the eighth provocation, Japan attacked. The public was told that it was a complete surprise, an “intelligence failure”, and America entered World War Two’. – from WRH Archives.
So, the probability of 8 recommendations becoming 8 events happening is 8! , meaning 1×2x3×4x5×6x7×8 = 40,320 . That is, 1 chance in 40,320 that all the pieces fall into place. A common place do you think ?
FDR clearly was in on it, and so one day your icon will undergo posthumous treason trials.
And as Pearl Harbour was an inside job it follows that 911 was also, since suppression of the truth encourages a repeat performance by a successor gang of criminals.
LEADING CHURCHILL MYTHS (5)
“Churchill and Roosevelt knew about Pearl Harbor in advance”
by Ron Helgemo
Mr. Helgemo’s career was spent in part with the Central Intelligence Agency. His article first ran in Finest Hour 101, Winter 1998-99
On a recent anniversary of Pearl Harbor, the History Channel, whose programs sometimes produce opium for the people, ran a BBC documentary claiming that President Franklin Roosevelt knew all about the surprise attack and allowed it to happen to get the United States into the war. The program, as Arthur Balfour might have said, contained much that is trite and much that is true, but what was true was trite, and what was not trite was not true.
Let us begin with the interview of Robert Egg, which approaches dishonesty. The producers fail to inform the audience that Mr. Ogg is the infamous “Seaman Z” immortalized by John Toland, an early conspiracy theorist who wrote that Pearl Harbor was plotted by Roosevelt.
“Seaman Z,” whose story has had a nasty habit of changing over the years, claimed he heard “queer signals” which could have been the oncoming Japanese aircraft carriers. But he could only have been hearing the carriers if the carriers were broadcasting….
The Japanese themselves claim their fleet (Kido Butai) never sent a single message. They dismantled the telegraph sending devices so a message could not be sent. After the war, the Strategic Bombing Survey found the Japanese military’s own after-action report, which credits the success of the attack to the fact that secrecy was maintained.
Among the reasons why secrecy was maintained, radio silence comes first. How could it be, for example, that Seaman Z in San Francisco picked up signals from the Japanese fleet—but Hawaii, much closer and lying between California and the fleet, never heard it?
“Betrayal” also interviewed Eric Nave, a British cryptologist who worked on the Japanese JN-25 naval code. Nave co-authored Betrayal at Pearl Harbor, claiming that Churchill hid what he knew about the attack from Roosevelt. The producers might have mentioned that Nave left Singapore in February 1940, had no further involvement with JN-25, and could not have known of the change to the JN-25B code in December 1940—and the resulting lack of anyone’s ability to read the code after that date.
There are a couple of scenes with Pacific Fleet cryptologist Joe Rochefort, the hero of Midway, who is said to have read JN-25B intercepts. But they fail to mention Rochefort’s claims that he was reading only five to 20 percent of any message in JN-25B prior to Midway and could not have been reading more before then.
Then there is the “Winds Code,” supposedly an attack signal disguised in a Japanese weather report. I have yet to hear how the “Winds Code” told anybody anything about Pearl Harbor. Once again Ralph Briggs is dragged out as evidence that the Americans intercepted this message. How Briggs, in Cheltenham, Maryland, heard the coded weather report and no one else did has never been explained; it was supposed to be, after all, a regular mid-day, Japanese time, radio broadcast. Nor does the History Channel explain why the Japanese sent it, since the communications failure that would have prompted its use did not occur.
Tucked into the “Betrayal” piece is Mr. Joe Lieb’s claim that Secretary of State Hull told him of the coming attack and named Pearl Harbor as the target. The trouble here is that Mr. Lieb and Mr. Hull were the only ones present at their alleged conversation, and Mr. Lieb did not see fit to tell anyone of this conversation until after Mr. Hull died. Thus there is no way independently to verify his claim.
An even more preposterous notion presented by the film is that General Marshall (he of course was also in on the plot) went horseback riding on a Sunday morning in order to be “unavailable” for questioners concerned about Japan’s next move, thus assuring the success of the Japanese air raid. Really! The case against General Marshall hinges on this, and the fact that he sent an alert warning to Pearl Harbor without sufficient priority. Surely it is easier to consider the latter act one of bureaucratic incompetence rather than a purposeful plot to delay an attack warning? If Pearl was being set up, why send a warning at all? To cover himself? But the warning was kept secret for 50 years!
Geostrategy and code breaking take up a great deal of the film, which uses them to document accusations of prior knowledge of the coming attack by American authorities. The producers begin by alleging that the United States knew the Japanese attack force was in the Kurile Islands. If it did, then the U.S. had to expect an attack either in Alaska, Hawaii, the west coast or Panama. Of these possible targets, the film says, the only one that made any sense was Hawaii.
But the documentary oversimplifies: having its fleet in the Kuriles did not reduce Japan’s choices of where to attack. Admiral Yamamoto needed to bring the fleet together for an attack in the most secure place possible, regardless of direction. The “southern strategy,” which eventually won out, required the Japanese Navy to neutralize the Philippines (then a U.S. territory), which crossed its sea lanes. This required Yamamoto to go after the U. S. Pacific Fleet at Pearl Harbor. That the Japanese had trouble making up their minds (Japanese Army-Navy politics was at work here too) served them, in the sense that it helped disguise their eventual choice. The “northern strategy” (attacking Alaska) was also seen as a distinct possibility to Westerners. As late as 15 October 1941, Roosevelt wrote Churchill, “I think they [the Japanese] are headed north.” (See Kimball’s Churchill and Roosevelt: The Complete Correspondence).
Clearly the Japanese had a variety of strategic choices prior to Pearl Harbor. The key to their Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere was China, and that was their major concern throughout. Indeed, while the West may have focused primarily on the Japanese during the Pacific war, the Japanese continued to focus more on China. Even at the war’s end the Japanese had 1.9 million men and nearly 10,000 aircraft there. It made little sense to Japan to defeat the U.S. if that meant giving up China.
“Betrayal at Pearl Harbor” is very wise after the fact. The imminence of war, it tells us, should have been clear to American planners. Japan’s JN-25B code had been broken. The orders to sail the Japanese Fleet from the Kuriles to a rendezvous point in mid-Pacific were transmitted. The Dutch claimed to have intercepted them, so presumably the British and the Americans should have done the same.
Certainly the imminence of war in the Pacific was obvious to any reasonably intelligent person at the time, but the Pacific did not get the attention it deserved. To understand why, we must put ourselves in the shoes of leaders at that time—not laboratory analysts of the present. And at that time, the British were up to their eyeballs with Germans and the Americans were fighting an undeclared war with the German Navy in the North Atlantic. Hindsight, of course, is always 20-20. But whatever the British and Americans “should have been able to do,” let me quote a direct source. Duane Whitlock, unlike Mr. Nave, was there, on Corregidor, working on the Japanese codes. “I can attest from first-hand experience that as of 1 December 1941 the recovery of JN-25B had not progressed to the point that it was productive of any appreciable intelligence,” stated Whitlock—”not even enough to be pieced together by traffic analysis….It simply was not within the realm of our combined cryptologic capability to produce a usable decrypt at that particular juncture.”
In the early 1990s the United States Navy transferred all its cryptologic archives from Crane, Indiana to the National Archives in Washington. This includes 26,581 JN-25 intercepts from 1 September to 7 December. All of these are available for public review. Frederick Parker, who studied 2,413 of these intercepts, argues in the film that had they been read at the time, they would have provided clear evidence of the impending attack on Pearl Harbor. Rusbridger and Nave, in their book, claim they were read, but offer no evidence.
Well, here is the evidence: the 2,413 pre-Pearl Harbor intercepts which had been decrypted by Navy cryptologists after the war while they were waiting to be mustered out of the service. While Parker makes a strong circumstantial case that the attack would have been discovered had these messages been read, cryptologists at that time would not have been looking just at the 2,413 intercepts; they would have been looking at all 26,581. Would they have been able to discern the relevant information from all that noise?
I could go on: the “bomb plot,” the Popov questionnaire, Hull’s “ultimatum” to Japan, etc., all old news, misleadingly presented. Readers may recall that Nave and Rusbridger tried to turn all this around a few years back (just in time to cash in on the 50th anniversary of Pearl Harbor, actually) by claiming it wasn’t Roosevelt after all, it was Winston Churchill who hid the knowledge of the attack in order to draw the United States into the war. As Professor Kimball wrote: “It seems to me that to brand Winston Churchill and/or Franklin Roosevelt as conspirators requires that they be seen as evil geniuses. But for them to allow the U.S. Fleet to be clobbered means they were stupid. And that doesn’t compute.”
Allow me to vent for a moment. The reason why this kind of garbage passes for history is that standards for evidence have virtually disappeared. Not all evidence is equal and there is an obligation to weigh evidence against some reasonable standard. The standard is not exactly rocket science; remnant evidence is better than tradition-creating evidence; corroborated testimony is better than uncorroborated testimony; forensic evidence is better than hearsay. Our inability to be skeptical, to think critically, to ask questions, to compare and contrast, leads to the perpetuation of one urban legend after another be it Churchill and Coventry, Churchill and the Lusitania, Churchill (or Roosevelt) and Pearl Harbor, etc., etc., etc. Hard thinking, critical analysis, and skepticism are the only ways to challenge this rubbish. I sometimes despair. Vent off.
http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=951
Michael
I understand and sympathize with your wish to simplify history by linking 9/11 to other examples of historical cases of so-called “state sponsored terror”, but I think you are barking up the wrong tree with Pearl Harbour.
I would urge you to ask yourself why so much has been written attacking FDR since his death and what it is that those who come up with this revisionist research want you think about him.
Given that you have obviously read Smedley Butlers book “War is a racket”, I should think you might understand who and what were his enemies, and why they have invested so much time in destroying his reputation and legacy.
I feel there are too many conspiracy theories doing the rounds right now which in themselves could be construed as conspiracy theories to detract us all from the realities we are forced to face today.
There is not a darn thing that we can do about Pearl Harbour, as what is done is done, but there sure is a hell of a lot we can do to bring peace and order to the world to ensure these things can never happen again.
Just to throw some sharp sand into the argument, was it not a fact that the USA sent their 6th.fleet out on an “exercise”, just before Pearl Harbor, leaving some old crocks behind ? Perhaps someone could enlighten me please.
Sadly, 9/11 will probably remain a mystery, just like the Kennedy assassination.
Although I believe that a large number of people “had accidents”, who may have been cionnected in some way with the murder. Did this happen after 9/11 ?
I sound like an old conspiracy theorist !
“LaRouche: The myth of the thing about Pearl Harbor, was that Roosevelt planned it. You had some people who spread that myth. They say that because they wish to believe it. Not because they have any evidence. The evidence is quite to the contrary: The British had organized Japan, to bomb Pearl Harbor, to attack it in a naval attack on Pearl Harbor, back at the beginning of the 1920s, when the British were allied with Japan against the United States, on the question of the naval power. This was the thing that Billy Mitchell talked about, in his court martial. He wasn’t particularly liked for that. But what happened is, contrary to what the U.S. expected, because they did send the aircraft carriers out to sea, because of the tension with Japan at that point, in order not to put the aircraft carriers at risk from the Japanese Navy. You saw what happened at Midway later, as a result of that wise decision.”
From: http://www.schillerinstitute.org/radio_lar_sep_2001/sdi_lar_9_11_01.html
The point being John??? I mean how does this affect us today with the problems we face.
I honestly believe that we need to remain Common Purpose specific here and focus on our problems today- the 6th Fleet carries that were out at sea on Dec 7 are 1941 are now scrap iron.
John Morton,
May i ask you to apply your concluding words, “Allow me to vent for a moment. The reason why this kind of garbage passes for history is that standards for evidence have virtually disappeared.” , to the McCollum Memo reference from my last, to wit;
~On October 7, 1940, Lieutenant Commander Arthur McCollum of the Office of Naval Intelligence submitted a memo to Navy Captains Walter Anderson and Dudley Knox.
Captains Anderson and Knox were two of President Roosevelt’s most trusted military advisors. The memo detailed an 8 step plan to provoke Japan into attacking the United States. President Roosevelt, over the course of 1941, implemented all 8 of the recommendations contained in the McCollum memo. Following the eighth provocation, Japan attacked.~
Given the high standards that you demand of historical narrative how would you rate the McCollum Memo ?
And what do you think of the application of 8! (factorial) to determining the probability of 8 random events occurring if predicted when applied to the above ?
What were the chances of all 8 recommendations to provoke Japan randomly happening ?
Factorially it is 1 in 40,320. Correct ?
Michael
Again I say: fallacy of composition.
To suppose that strategic manoevers of great powers in wartime is evidence of LIHOP is a gross misunderstanding of how military, diplomatic and intelligence operations function.
There is a very long and inconclusive discussion of all this here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearl_Harbor_advance-knowledge_debate
The bottom line is that even if the strategic plan was to provoke Japan into an open confrontation, that does not mean that FDR knew about Pearl Harbour in advance and let those men die for his purposes of getting America into the war, which is the basic thesis of your argument.
After all, that would have been TREASON according to the US Constitution, and surely you are not arguing that top military brass would have stood by and permitted this, even in the run up to a world war?
I ask you again not to apply the standards of the Bush administration and other corrupt, treasonous governments that have ill served America with that of FDR, who was the quintessential American hero on every level and to be quite frank I think you should be ashamed of yourself for impugning his memory in this way.
I am certainly no great fan of Churchill, but for all his faults, he was still a great wartime leader who saved our nation from Nazi domination, and I would have equally harsh words for anyone who wanted to run his name into the ground in the same way that these penpushing revisionists have done to FDR.
David
I refer the honourable gentleman to the answer I gave some moments ago:
1. Truth.
2. Morale.
If we can destroy the legacy and intentions of the best of our historical leaders, what hope is there for us today?
John Morton,
You say to me,”I ask you again not to apply the standards of the Bush administration and other corrupt, treasonous governments that have ill served America with that of FDR, who was the quintessential American hero on every level and to be quite frank I think you should be ashamed of yourself for impugning his memory in this way”.
I find this at http://www.fpp.co.uk:80/History/PearlHarbor/WashTimes010601.html
~Of note, Mr. Borgquist draws attention to a “major historical error” based on the typed text of the first draft of President Franklin D. Roosevelt’s “Day of Infamy” speech.
Mr. Borgquist says the text was drafted by a State Department team led by former Assistant Secretary of State Adolph Berle between 8:30 p.m. and 12:30 a.m. — after the first 13 parts of the 14-part Japanese reply to the American ultimatum had been intercepted, decoded, and delivered on Saturday night, Dec. 6, 1941.
The attack came on Dec. 7.
That supports Mr. Borgquist’s earlier argument, published in 1999 by Naval History Magazine, That the attack on Pearl Harbor was no surprise at all. He wrote that Helen E. Hamman, the daughter of Don C. Smith, who directed the War Service for the Red Cross before World War II, wrote a letter to President Clinton revealing a conversation she had with her dad:
“Shortly before the attack in 1941, President Roosevelt called him to the White House for a meeting concerning a top-secret matter. At this meeting, the president advised my father that his intelligence staff had informed him of a pending attack on Pearl Harbor, by the Japanese.
“He anticipated many casualties and much loss; he instructed my father to send workers and supplies to a holding area. When he protested to the president, President Roosevelt told him that the American people would never agree to enter the war in Europe unless they were attack[ed] within their own borders. . . .
“He followed the orders of his president and spent many years contemplating this action, which he considered ethically and morally wrong.”
We’ll wait and see if the Bush White House talks to Mr. Borgquist and fellow Pearl Harbor presenters at today’s conference before making the decision on whether to elevate Gen. Short and Adm. Kimmel, as their families have requested and Congress proposed in the fiscal year 2001 defense authorization bill. ~
So John, FDR’s loyalties were not to the American people at all as he presided over the slaughter of 405,000 fine young American men for – you tell me ?
Michael,
When you’re evaluating this kind of thing, it’s very easy to see things in black and white. It’s never so simple.
Look, Roosevelt represented the US Constitution. He worked through the constitution to regenerate the US economy after 1929, and the worked through the constitution during WWII, and when he forced Bretton Woods on the world’s financial elites.
The financial elites have been working hard, ever since, to:
- destroy his memory, because they don’t want another leader of his ilk
- reverse the financial regulation he put in place
For example, listen to this, a Radio 4 presentation on a coup attempt in 1933, led by Prescott Bush and others, who “believed that their country should adopt the policies of Hitler and Mussolini to beat the great depression.”
The tradition of Prescott Bush lives on to this day, as I’m sure you are well aware. For example, in yesterday’s NY Times, David Brooks commented on the Paulson bailout, “If you wanted to devise a name for this approach, you might pick the phrase economist Arnold Kling has used: Progressive Corporatism. We’re not entering a phase in which government stands back and lets the chips fall. We’re not entering an era when the government pounds the powerful on behalf of the people. We’re entering an era of the educated establishment, in which government acts to create a stable–and often oligarchic–framework for capitalist endeavor.”
King later commented on his own website, “Progressive corporatism–I guess it goes down easier than liberal fascism.”
Roosevelt represented a thread in US society which is anti-oligarchic, anti-empire. The oligarchs running this world today continue to sully his name. There’s no money to be made doing things his way..
The Editor,
The `The Day of Infamy` address was set to go the previous day and FDR had no knowledge of it until after the attack had taken place is what you are saying ? Yes or no is the essential black or white question here. Yes, he did know. No, he didn’t know. Which, Mr Editor ?
Or the Director of the War Service for the Red Cross being told by FDR of the imminent Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour and to make preparations. Is Don C Smith’s daughter telling the truth ? Yes or no, Mr Editor ? A black and white question again.
Michaelm,
It is clear that you absolutely believe that Pearl Harbour was allowed to happen so that the US would get into the war. Nothing I can say will change that belief.
But I would point out that both the examples you cite, are no more than hearsay. Now, if Mr Smith had written of his conversation with FDR in a diary, then that would be fairly heavyweight evidence. In the meantime, we only have second hand information, and I can’t know of the true motivations of the daughter.
I would also point out that, actually, people were beginning to support going to war because of the losses in the Atlantic, so really, FDR didn’t need to do what has been alleged.
History is much more complex than pointing at the word of one person or another and saying “look, that proves that!”
A conspiracy around Pearl Harbour is not proven, and on balance, looking at the broader picture of what FDR did, and who he did it to, it seems to me that this is a stitch up intended to keep people from looking at what he did do for the USA.
In yesterday’s New York Daily news, columnist Juan Gonzalez wrote, and he’s bang on the money, “Congress should remember what Franklin Delano Roosevelt and a Democratic Majority did during the Great Depression … Roosevelt didn’t cave in to Wall Street. He wasn’t going to be rushed into some shotgun solution. On his second day in the White House, he closed all banks so the government could have time to review their finances. He called Congress into emergency session, and secured more than a dozen new laws regulating banks, providing federal subsidies to farmers, emergency relief for local governments and for homeowners facing foreclosure. Roosevelt’s response changed America for the better. Whatever Congress does in the next few days, it should not reward the very people who created this mess.”
FDR has never been forgiven for this by the big bankers. You should bear that in mind when looking at the evidence of his complicity at Pearl Harbour.
Mr Editor,
Look back to my earlier references about the McCollum Memo and you will notice that you avoided in your responses mentioning it by name, but you do mention Mr Smith in your last.
And you have absolutely no grounds for impugning the motives of his daughter as there is not the slightest reason to do so. Give me a reason to doubt Helen E. Hamman’s character ?
Do you have a record of her being a liar in anything ?
As for my belief that this or that happened, i am only interested in facts as best as they can be determined and subject to revision should formerly unknown facts come to light.
What’s your evidence for this ? : I would also point out that, actually, people were beginning to support going to war because of the losses in the Atlantic, . . .
Does it really matter now, when there are seriously bigger fish to fry?
Whats done is done and in the past, and there is nowt we can do about that as all the people involved are probably long dead!
Our job is is to right the wrongs of here and now.
Michaelm,
I already gave you a reason, several times. There are some people on this planet who wish to sully FDR’s name for the reasons I have already referred to several times. I’m not going to say it again.
I don’t see any evidence that you are interested in fact, actually. Merely opinion and second hand hearsay.
The McCollum memo proves nothing. Did Kennedy use a false flag operation as an excuse to attack Cuba? No? Why not? He was handed the Operation Northwoods document from the Joint Chiefs, after all. He must have acted on it, no? By your thinking, every memo ever submitted to a President (which this one wasn’t, not directly) is acted upon, which is clearly nonsense.
As for your last point, I don’t have time to dig that out now. But if you are really interested, send me your email address and I’ll get it to you in due course.