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		<title>By: mick</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 13:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes great Carol i could not have put it better .you  have seen into my Heart,and bleeds constantly every day that i read over  GB ,And ask myself when will the ghange come,i have also informed my children and so many of my freinds &quot;THE ONES THAT ARE NOT THICK&quot;
 i WAIT FOR THE DAY WHEN ALL  THE COMMEN PEOPLE RISE TO TAKE BACK WHAT IS OURS OUR  LIVES.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes great Carol i could not have put it better .you  have seen into my Heart,and bleeds constantly every day that i read over  GB ,And ask myself when will the ghange come,i have also informed my children and so many of my freinds &#8220;THE ONES THAT ARE NOT THICK&#8221;<br />
 i WAIT FOR THE DAY WHEN ALL  THE COMMEN PEOPLE RISE TO TAKE BACK WHAT IS OURS OUR  LIVES.</p>
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		<title>By: david_grothier</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 12:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TOM, THESE THINGS ARE ONLY SO BECAUSE WE LET THEM BE.

The people are still the majority in the UK and where there is a majority  to be found--so too will you find the true power of this nation.

The trick is to arouse the people in their best interests, when is the person we seek?

 I am sure that if Genghis Khan then we Khan too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TOM, THESE THINGS ARE ONLY SO BECAUSE WE LET THEM BE.</p>
<p>The people are still the majority in the UK and where there is a majority  to be found&#8211;so too will you find the true power of this nation.</p>
<p>The trick is to arouse the people in their best interests, when is the person we seek?</p>
<p> I am sure that if Genghis Khan then we Khan too.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Collins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Collins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 21:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sadly, the majority of our civil servants work for the EU.   We pay them but their masters are in Brussels.

Every Directive emanating from  Brussels is seized upon enthusiastically by our civil servants, gold-plated, and inflicted upon the long-suffering public.

You can&#039;t even throw an apple core away without facing the risk of prosecution. I cannot quote the number of laws, rules, regulations, penalties, fines, prison ,which apply to this once free land.  Example;  only recently our Scottish fishermen had to throw some £25,000 of dead fish back into the sea because they had allegedly exceeded  their quota.
What utter nonsense.  It&#039;s worse than &quot;Alice in Wonderland&quot;.   A  Billion Pounds A Week to be a member of this club - which we never asked to join in the first place !   Democracy ?  There MUST be something better..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sadly, the majority of our civil servants work for the EU.   We pay them but their masters are in Brussels.</p>
<p>Every Directive emanating from  Brussels is seized upon enthusiastically by our civil servants, gold-plated, and inflicted upon the long-suffering public.</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t even throw an apple core away without facing the risk of prosecution. I cannot quote the number of laws, rules, regulations, penalties, fines, prison ,which apply to this once free land.  Example;  only recently our Scottish fishermen had to throw some £25,000 of dead fish back into the sea because they had allegedly exceeded  their quota.<br />
What utter nonsense.  It&#8217;s worse than &#8220;Alice in Wonderland&#8221;.   A  Billion Pounds A Week to be a member of this club &#8211; which we never asked to join in the first place !   Democracy ?  There MUST be something better..</p>
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		<title>By: david_grothier</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 11:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good morning all.

You know we are so lucky to have so many talented dedicated people here and in general we all share the same objectives, at least long term objectives which will undoubtedly benefit all of mankind.

However I have to come back to the basic fact in all military strategies that no fight can be fought, let alone won if there is no secure base to operate from.

Our base in Britain and for me at this stage my fight is for Britain, and I can help defeat the enemies, both internal and external, of Britain, but there is nowt I can do about Pearl Harbour etc.

If former EU President Barroso and his cronies have their way the Treaty of Lisbon will be ratified and entered into EU no matter what the Irish have democratically voted for, then it will all be too late as Britain will be just another administrative district of the EU.

THIS MORNING FOUND FIVE MORE EMAILS IN MY IN BOX FROM ORDINARY BRITISH CITIZENS WHO ARE EXASPERATED BY THE SHEAR INDOLENCE OF BRITISH CIVIL SERVANTS.---

The reasons these poor quality civil servants are getting away with such abuses of innocent members of the public are quite simple----THEY ARE ACCOUNTABLE TO NONE!!!!!!---but the dictates of Common Purpose

Its time to start reclaims what is ours to reclaim---let America do the same and we can once again meet as unfettered equals on the world stage which each of our house firmly in order.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good morning all.</p>
<p>You know we are so lucky to have so many talented dedicated people here and in general we all share the same objectives, at least long term objectives which will undoubtedly benefit all of mankind.</p>
<p>However I have to come back to the basic fact in all military strategies that no fight can be fought, let alone won if there is no secure base to operate from.</p>
<p>Our base in Britain and for me at this stage my fight is for Britain, and I can help defeat the enemies, both internal and external, of Britain, but there is nowt I can do about Pearl Harbour etc.</p>
<p>If former EU President Barroso and his cronies have their way the Treaty of Lisbon will be ratified and entered into EU no matter what the Irish have democratically voted for, then it will all be too late as Britain will be just another administrative district of the EU.</p>
<p>THIS MORNING FOUND FIVE MORE EMAILS IN MY IN BOX FROM ORDINARY BRITISH CITIZENS WHO ARE EXASPERATED BY THE SHEAR INDOLENCE OF BRITISH CIVIL SERVANTS.&#8212;</p>
<p>The reasons these poor quality civil servants are getting away with such abuses of innocent members of the public are quite simple&#8212;-THEY ARE ACCOUNTABLE TO NONE!!!!!!&#8212;but the dictates of Common Purpose</p>
<p>Its time to start reclaims what is ours to reclaim&#8212;let America do the same and we can once again meet as unfettered equals on the world stage which each of our house firmly in order.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Collins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Collins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 15:16:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Th really first positive action to-date, being taken by John Morton !  Congratulations.

Publish your ongoing views and let us have  full debate on the anti-EU parties, organisations etc. to bring EVERYTHING out into the open.

Let&#039;s see what YOU can achieve inside UKIP.

At least it&#039;s a step forward and not just hurling stones !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Th really first positive action to-date, being taken by John Morton !  Congratulations.</p>
<p>Publish your ongoing views and let us have  full debate on the anti-EU parties, organisations etc. to bring EVERYTHING out into the open.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s see what YOU can achieve inside UKIP.</p>
<p>At least it&#8217;s a step forward and not just hurling stones !</p>
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		<title>By: johnmorton</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 14:52:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For my part I have an open mind about UKIP and will work with them if they are willing to listen to us and change their policies and tactics accordingly.

Certainly, we are not enemies, however we harbour deep concerns about the lack of real action coming from that party. Their excuse seems to be lack of resources, but that just seems like a way to avoid getting their hands dirty to me.

I have decided to join UKIP as a personal mission to see what, if anything, can be done from the inside. This may well be a waste of my time and effort, but the more people we have on the inside, the better anyway...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For my part I have an open mind about UKIP and will work with them if they are willing to listen to us and change their policies and tactics accordingly.</p>
<p>Certainly, we are not enemies, however we harbour deep concerns about the lack of real action coming from that party. Their excuse seems to be lack of resources, but that just seems like a way to avoid getting their hands dirty to me.</p>
<p>I have decided to join UKIP as a personal mission to see what, if anything, can be done from the inside. This may well be a waste of my time and effort, but the more people we have on the inside, the better anyway&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Collins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Collins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 10:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike,

You MAY be right that more &quot;action&quot; is required from UKIP.
Firstly, the media is almost impenetrable, as I have found out !
Most of the media is pro-EU anyway.
MEP&#039;s, especially UKIP MEP&#039;s,  are not magicians and perhaps you gained the wrong impression from your discussions with them.   What about a face-to-face with Nigel Farage and publish the results ?
UKIP could do with you on their side, bearing in mind they share your  views on the EU.
On YOUR part, shouldn&#039;t you be promoting books such as the latest from Dan Brown &quot;The End of the English&quot; /
The above seem to be positiive suggestions , which is all I am saying is essential.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,</p>
<p>You MAY be right that more &#8220;action&#8221; is required from UKIP.<br />
Firstly, the media is almost impenetrable, as I have found out !<br />
Most of the media is pro-EU anyway.<br />
MEP&#8217;s, especially UKIP MEP&#8217;s,  are not magicians and perhaps you gained the wrong impression from your discussions with them.   What about a face-to-face with Nigel Farage and publish the results ?<br />
UKIP could do with you on their side, bearing in mind they share your  views on the EU.<br />
On YOUR part, shouldn&#8217;t you be promoting books such as the latest from Dan Brown &#8220;The End of the English&#8221; /<br />
The above seem to be positiive suggestions , which is all I am saying is essential.</p>
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		<title>By: The Editor</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Editor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 06:18:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom:

The &quot;editor&quot; is Mike Robinson, by the way.

I do have a low opinion of UKIP at this point in time - for one reason alone ... any time I speak to a UKIP MEP, I get much agreement about the state of the world, and then no action. I&#039;m told that there&#039;s really nothing can be done to stop the great EU machine. I don&#039;t believe that, and I get the feeling I am being encouraged into inactivity.

I&#039;m sure there are good people within UKIP. I&#039;m very concerned that they are being hamstrung by the same attitudes I have experienced.

&quot;When every individual has an identity card and/or a microchip implanted then the game is up and no one, but no one, will be able to protest or else………..&quot;

Not so. It&#039;ll just be harder. That&#039;s why we need to act. Now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom:</p>
<p>The &#8220;editor&#8221; is Mike Robinson, by the way.</p>
<p>I do have a low opinion of UKIP at this point in time &#8211; for one reason alone &#8230; any time I speak to a UKIP MEP, I get much agreement about the state of the world, and then no action. I&#8217;m told that there&#8217;s really nothing can be done to stop the great EU machine. I don&#8217;t believe that, and I get the feeling I am being encouraged into inactivity.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure there are good people within UKIP. I&#8217;m very concerned that they are being hamstrung by the same attitudes I have experienced.</p>
<p>&#8220;When every individual has an identity card and/or a microchip implanted then the game is up and no one, but no one, will be able to protest or else………..&#8221;</p>
<p>Not so. It&#8217;ll just be harder. That&#8217;s why we need to act. Now.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Collins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Collins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 23:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Editor is obviously anti-UKIP, for whatever reason &quot;

We must realise that  &quot;there is strength in numbers&quot;  The State knows that individuals are weak, why do you think they are busy  destroying marriage, increasing benefits. encouraging immigration and building social housing ?  I will tell you,&#039;cos that makes more people depend on the state, hence the vast increase in the civil service staff.

When every individual has an identity card and/or a microchip implanted then the game is up and no one, but no one, will be able to protest or else...........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Editor is obviously anti-UKIP, for whatever reason &#8221;</p>
<p>We must realise that  &#8220;there is strength in numbers&#8221;  The State knows that individuals are weak, why do you think they are busy  destroying marriage, increasing benefits. encouraging immigration and building social housing ?  I will tell you,&#8217;cos that makes more people depend on the state, hence the vast increase in the civil service staff.</p>
<p>When every individual has an identity card and/or a microchip implanted then the game is up and no one, but no one, will be able to protest or else&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: david.grothier</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely right on JM.



THERE ARE MANY TIMES I HAVE CUT OFF MY NOSE TO SPITE MY FACE AS THEY SAY IN DOING WHAT I THOUGHT WAS RIGHT. IF FOR EXAMPLE I WAS AN MP I could never live with myself to see the state of our nation today and the backhanded way we signed into Europe---I would have had have confronted Daisy Brown directly.--–

That may help some here to understand where I am coming from</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely right on JM.</p>
<p>THERE ARE MANY TIMES I HAVE CUT OFF MY NOSE TO SPITE MY FACE AS THEY SAY IN DOING WHAT I THOUGHT WAS RIGHT. IF FOR EXAMPLE I WAS AN MP I could never live with myself to see the state of our nation today and the backhanded way we signed into Europe&#8212;I would have had have confronted Daisy Brown directly.&#8211;–</p>
<p>That may help some here to understand where I am coming from</p>
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		<title>By: johnmorton</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should like to interject a few remarks here as I believe that contrary to the opinions of some, many politicians are in fact decent people, but simply either unqualified for the offices they hold, or more often than not just &quot;going along to get along&quot;.

The crisis we are now confronted with will indeed &quot;sort the men out from the boys&quot;, and draw some very clear lines as to on which side our elected officials sit. We MUST now take it upon ourselves now to FORCE each and every one of them to go public on the issues on which our website and newspaper are making absolutely crystal clear.

Either they are FOR doing nothing about the police state and the economic crisis, or they are AGAINST it. Simple and inescapable.

We must hold their feet to the fire and make sure they know that they will be exposed and held accountable in the court of public opinion for failure to take effective action to defend this nation and its people from tyranny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should like to interject a few remarks here as I believe that contrary to the opinions of some, many politicians are in fact decent people, but simply either unqualified for the offices they hold, or more often than not just &#8220;going along to get along&#8221;.</p>
<p>The crisis we are now confronted with will indeed &#8220;sort the men out from the boys&#8221;, and draw some very clear lines as to on which side our elected officials sit. We MUST now take it upon ourselves now to FORCE each and every one of them to go public on the issues on which our website and newspaper are making absolutely crystal clear.</p>
<p>Either they are FOR doing nothing about the police state and the economic crisis, or they are AGAINST it. Simple and inescapable.</p>
<p>We must hold their feet to the fire and make sure they know that they will be exposed and held accountable in the court of public opinion for failure to take effective action to defend this nation and its people from tyranny.</p>
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		<title>By: david.grothier</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 14:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ed you are of course right, but please why stop there for my money the whole sordid bunch of parties that we have to day should be as you rightly say–-amputated.
You are also right when you state that––- “The strong and viable alternative is to organise people to act, not talk.” And believe me I am all for acting as the talk has run out of both steam and ears.

However when we start organising people we are in danger of creating the very same monster that we seek to destroy–that is of course, if we are not careful. Brits being Brits, we love our groups, clubs and political parties, and the next thing you know our love of committees will come into play.

Not only that, with deep reverence to GOD all men may well be equal in His eyes, but when HE is not looking clearly we are not. There are leaders and followers by choice or disposition. There are men of Stature and our diminutive cousins, there are those who feel a sense of superiority and those inferiority. There are men of GOD and men who kill in GOD’s name–the inequalities amongst us mere mortals in endless. 

I believe that what we all need to do is to get our heads together and come up with a cast iron constitution for all time. A constitution based upon all the best concepts for decent, moral civilised living ever. One that once written will be our true code for living on this planet with integrity and honour, nobly amongst our fellow men.

Once agreed upon our new constitution would be as enduring as the Bible has been over the past 2000 years and consequently any violations thereof, which could put us back to where we are today, would been seem as a capital offence.

All people living in harmony under an unbreakable code of constitutional rights written down and preserved forever. 

With dedicate work and much effort we could all accomplish such a wondrous document which would ensure our continued economic, social and moral existence on perpetuity, with one and all retaining their personal sovereign rights untacked dedicate to a oath of allegiance to a well thought out inaugurated constitution that preserves everyone’s rights for ever, much like the Magna Carta was supposed to do, only this time we are a much more enlightened proletariate. 

We would be a society of equals with those elected to carry out the necessary administrative functions being seem as principle equals elected for one year only.

Food for thought I think, as, as you rightly state ED, “These times, by the way, are not sad or depressing. They are dangerous.” And this can clearly be seen by the desperation swing to the BNP, fortunately only on a local lever, as we may as well plug the plug should the BNP ever get an MP!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ed you are of course right, but please why stop there for my money the whole sordid bunch of parties that we have to day should be as you rightly say–-amputated.<br />
You are also right when you state that––- “The strong and viable alternative is to organise people to act, not talk.” And believe me I am all for acting as the talk has run out of both steam and ears.</p>
<p>However when we start organising people we are in danger of creating the very same monster that we seek to destroy–that is of course, if we are not careful. Brits being Brits, we love our groups, clubs and political parties, and the next thing you know our love of committees will come into play.</p>
<p>Not only that, with deep reverence to GOD all men may well be equal in His eyes, but when HE is not looking clearly we are not. There are leaders and followers by choice or disposition. There are men of Stature and our diminutive cousins, there are those who feel a sense of superiority and those inferiority. There are men of GOD and men who kill in GOD’s name–the inequalities amongst us mere mortals in endless. </p>
<p>I believe that what we all need to do is to get our heads together and come up with a cast iron constitution for all time. A constitution based upon all the best concepts for decent, moral civilised living ever. One that once written will be our true code for living on this planet with integrity and honour, nobly amongst our fellow men.</p>
<p>Once agreed upon our new constitution would be as enduring as the Bible has been over the past 2000 years and consequently any violations thereof, which could put us back to where we are today, would been seem as a capital offence.</p>
<p>All people living in harmony under an unbreakable code of constitutional rights written down and preserved forever. </p>
<p>With dedicate work and much effort we could all accomplish such a wondrous document which would ensure our continued economic, social and moral existence on perpetuity, with one and all retaining their personal sovereign rights untacked dedicate to a oath of allegiance to a well thought out inaugurated constitution that preserves everyone’s rights for ever, much like the Magna Carta was supposed to do, only this time we are a much more enlightened proletariate. </p>
<p>We would be a society of equals with those elected to carry out the necessary administrative functions being seem as principle equals elected for one year only.</p>
<p>Food for thought I think, as, as you rightly state ED, “These times, by the way, are not sad or depressing. They are dangerous.” And this can clearly be seen by the desperation swing to the BNP, fortunately only on a local lever, as we may as well plug the plug should the BNP ever get an MP!</p>
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		<title>By: The Editor</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 09:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom:

It&#039;s my personal view that UKIP is beyond repair, and should be amputated.

The strong and viable alternative is to organise people to act, not talk. That won&#039;t be done within a party such as UKIP, but at a local level by distributing papers such as the UK Column. Or write your own leaflets and have them distributed. Or organise a public local event and pass on your knowledge.

Its a mistake, I believe, the expect any kind of national leadership in these times. There aren&#039;t many qualified to do that, and those that are, wouldn&#039;t want to.

So the key action for us all, is to shine a great big light on the activities of the corrupt, and give as many people as possible the chance to hold the torch and recognise what they are seeing. We need to build a mass effect - not a political party.

Remember, we are a society - a society of individuals. Until we are willing to act individually, rather than waiting for some great leadership event to come from on high, we have no hope of getting through the next few years.

These times, by the way, are not sad or depressing. They are dangerous, yes. But the fact is that the system is collapsing faster than totalitarianism can be implemented. That&#039;s the perfect time for action, and the greatest opportunity if we are willing to act in generally the same direction.

Going to UKIP meetings is not action. Getting out there, passing on what we know, encouraging others to do the same, is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom:</p>
<p>It&#8217;s my personal view that UKIP is beyond repair, and should be amputated.</p>
<p>The strong and viable alternative is to organise people to act, not talk. That won&#8217;t be done within a party such as UKIP, but at a local level by distributing papers such as the UK Column. Or write your own leaflets and have them distributed. Or organise a public local event and pass on your knowledge.</p>
<p>Its a mistake, I believe, the expect any kind of national leadership in these times. There aren&#8217;t many qualified to do that, and those that are, wouldn&#8217;t want to.</p>
<p>So the key action for us all, is to shine a great big light on the activities of the corrupt, and give as many people as possible the chance to hold the torch and recognise what they are seeing. We need to build a mass effect &#8211; not a political party.</p>
<p>Remember, we are a society &#8211; a society of individuals. Until we are willing to act individually, rather than waiting for some great leadership event to come from on high, we have no hope of getting through the next few years.</p>
<p>These times, by the way, are not sad or depressing. They are dangerous, yes. But the fact is that the system is collapsing faster than totalitarianism can be implemented. That&#8217;s the perfect time for action, and the greatest opportunity if we are willing to act in generally the same direction.</p>
<p>Going to UKIP meetings is not action. Getting out there, passing on what we know, encouraging others to do the same, is.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 08:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, I thought I did read what you say!...but I agree 100% with the remainder of you comments.

Tom...we have much more than a dodgy arm or leg in this country..we have a a full blown  Malignant Cancer.. and like all Cancers nobody seems certain how to deal with it.

At the moment I do not see a viable alternative...which is why I don&#039;t vote, or at least I  should say I spoil my Ballet paper by writing accross it: Non of These.  
It is why I contribute to the UK Column and read this website, hopeing to find advice and inspiration.

As a side note, I also do not buy any of the main newspapers as they are all part of the cancer..I wish more people would follow me doing that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, I thought I did read what you say!&#8230;but I agree 100% with the remainder of you comments.</p>
<p>Tom&#8230;we have much more than a dodgy arm or leg in this country..we have a a full blown  Malignant Cancer.. and like all Cancers nobody seems certain how to deal with it.</p>
<p>At the moment I do not see a viable alternative&#8230;which is why I don&#8217;t vote, or at least I  should say I spoil my Ballet paper by writing accross it: Non of These.<br />
It is why I contribute to the UK Column and read this website, hopeing to find advice and inspiration.</p>
<p>As a side note, I also do not buy any of the main newspapers as they are all part of the cancer..I wish more people would follow me doing that.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Collins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Collins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 21:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand, and perhaps even accept, that things could be better  at UKIP.   But, frankly, what is the alternative?  It is no use whatsoever, rejecting UKIP and even abusing them etc. UNLESS you have something to replace them which is better.

After all, if you have a dodgy arm or leg, you don&#039;t cut them off  -  you repair them !

If you are saying that UKIP is beyond repair then please suggest a strong and viable alternative.  Otherwise you join the pessimists!

Positive thinking and action is the only way out I&#039;m afraid but the problem is HOW, WHEN and WHO WILL LEAD ?   Big questions -  very little answers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand, and perhaps even accept, that things could be better  at UKIP.   But, frankly, what is the alternative?  It is no use whatsoever, rejecting UKIP and even abusing them etc. UNLESS you have something to replace them which is better.</p>
<p>After all, if you have a dodgy arm or leg, you don&#8217;t cut them off  &#8211;  you repair them !</p>
<p>If you are saying that UKIP is beyond repair then please suggest a strong and viable alternative.  Otherwise you join the pessimists!</p>
<p>Positive thinking and action is the only way out I&#8217;m afraid but the problem is HOW, WHEN and WHO WILL LEAD ?   Big questions &#8211;  very little answers.</p>
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		<title>By: david.grothier</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 20:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Read what I say Peter, my position has never altered from  getting the message out to the people.

Most if these issues, in any event are way above the average Joe Public and are so for a variety of reasons which are not important for this discussion but it is certainly in the government’s interest to keep people in ignorance. 
What is though is  that the public simply do not understand what is going on. Fortunately we have people like Brian Garrish and Albert Burgess devoting their time to try and arrest that situation. 

We have little chance of changing Europe from the INSIDE, as the clout of the EU is within Europe and we Brits have so typically chosen a sort of half in half out stance of Europe in keeping the pound etc, and are not trusted by many EU Member States. The only hope we have is to amend the 1972 European Communities Act which Parliament can do at any time it wishes to do.

However both the EU and its agent provocateur Common Purpose, are doing a fine job of brainwashing many young people who know nothing of the EU evolution and only see its benefits through many purposely designed EU youth programs and job opportunities.

Time is running out people as any action we start in Britain may well meet with oppositions from within Britain–such is the power of the 1984 syndrome.

As for political parties the thing they are all sacred about is the plain honest and simple truth–they love deception all of then and that is why we should consider abandoning all political parties of the low standard types that we have become accustomed to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Read what I say Peter, my position has never altered from  getting the message out to the people.</p>
<p>Most if these issues, in any event are way above the average Joe Public and are so for a variety of reasons which are not important for this discussion but it is certainly in the government’s interest to keep people in ignorance.<br />
What is though is  that the public simply do not understand what is going on. Fortunately we have people like Brian Garrish and Albert Burgess devoting their time to try and arrest that situation. </p>
<p>We have little chance of changing Europe from the INSIDE, as the clout of the EU is within Europe and we Brits have so typically chosen a sort of half in half out stance of Europe in keeping the pound etc, and are not trusted by many EU Member States. The only hope we have is to amend the 1972 European Communities Act which Parliament can do at any time it wishes to do.</p>
<p>However both the EU and its agent provocateur Common Purpose, are doing a fine job of brainwashing many young people who know nothing of the EU evolution and only see its benefits through many purposely designed EU youth programs and job opportunities.</p>
<p>Time is running out people as any action we start in Britain may well meet with oppositions from within Britain–such is the power of the 1984 syndrome.</p>
<p>As for political parties the thing they are all sacred about is the plain honest and simple truth–they love deception all of then and that is why we should consider abandoning all political parties of the low standard types that we have become accustomed to.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 18:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OF CAUSE WE ARE GOING TO LET THEM...The Sheeple in this country don&#039;t even know what is going on. The problem is telling them and then making them believe that this is really the intention. In effect ... there is MORE of them than US, because US is a very small, the majority are completely in the dark.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OF CAUSE WE ARE GOING TO LET THEM&#8230;The Sheeple in this country don&#8217;t even know what is going on. The problem is telling them and then making them believe that this is really the intention. In effect &#8230; there is MORE of them than US, because US is a very small, the majority are completely in the dark.</p>
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		<title>By: carole bragg</title>
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		<dc:creator>carole bragg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 17:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom almost all of the group that started the U.K.Column were memebers of UKIP&gt;
I was the vice chair of the Plymouth branch. I spoke to Roger Knapman, and Nigel Farage personally and asked them to use the money that was paying for their ridiculous quarterly magazine, which only goes to the members (who are already converted) to produce a newspaper which we could distribute to the general public, with the truth of everything that the E.U. were doing. Their reply &quot;You can&#039;t do that.the truth would frighten everyone to death&quot;
UKIP can no more be changed from inside than the E.U. can. 
Incidentally, did you know that in one of his speaches Farage actually said &quot;WE HAVE TO TRY TO CHANGE THE E.U. FROM INSIDE&quot;  Which is exactly what the Tories say.
The members of UKIP are brilliant, but the only time you hear anything from the leadership is when there is an election pending.
What we need is to do away with the party system and elect independants who want to do what they are paid for, namely what the British people elect them to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom almost all of the group that started the U.K.Column were memebers of UKIP&gt;<br />
I was the vice chair of the Plymouth branch. I spoke to Roger Knapman, and Nigel Farage personally and asked them to use the money that was paying for their ridiculous quarterly magazine, which only goes to the members (who are already converted) to produce a newspaper which we could distribute to the general public, with the truth of everything that the E.U. were doing. Their reply &#8220;You can&#8217;t do that.the truth would frighten everyone to death&#8221;<br />
UKIP can no more be changed from inside than the E.U. can.<br />
Incidentally, did you know that in one of his speaches Farage actually said &#8220;WE HAVE TO TRY TO CHANGE THE E.U. FROM INSIDE&#8221;  Which is exactly what the Tories say.<br />
The members of UKIP are brilliant, but the only time you hear anything from the leadership is when there is an election pending.<br />
What we need is to do away with the party system and elect independants who want to do what they are paid for, namely what the British people elect them to do.</p>
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